No sound in Fedora 9

[bochecha]

Hi,

I installed Fedora 9 yesterday on my new laptop. Works fine, except for the sound.

Here is the link to my smolt profile: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_d8da7236-9a3b-44eb-99ff-3ffcd355f397

I have to say that my laptop came pre-installed with Ubuntu 7.10 and that the sound was working. However, now that Fedora 9 is out, Ubuntu is no longer wanted :)

To the problem now.

The mixers are up, I have no headset plugged in ^_^.

Pulse audio seems to detect my sound card as it appears in paman and pavucontrol.

Pulse audio seems to detect the audio streams as they appear in paman and pavucontrol.

However, no sounds gets out of my spearkers...

I have absolutely no clue where to look at, and as system-config-soundcard was removed...

Any idea?

Thanks

[sklm]

Not sure if it could help but I had the same problem right after F9 install and in my case, the "solution" [a stab in the dark] was to unmute the "Surround" option in the mixer.

So maybe you could try and unmute every possible channel, too, as one of them might be the reason...

[bochecha]

Wow!

Unmuting the "surround" mixer did it!

However, the volume is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally low... Even with all mixers at the maximum.

Any idea about that?

[sklm]

Not really... Just the obvious:

1) gnome-sound-properties

2) gnome-volume-control. Here, try different devices and all possible channels. Specifically, pay attention to Alsa mixer and go to Preferences select Master, PCM, Front, Surround etc - all to the max.

3) volume buttons on your laptop ;)

I don't remember exactly what I did, probably #2 was most important, but now my sound is crystal clear and crazy loud. I've got Dell Inspiron 1420 laptop, similar to yours.

[Chairman]

Not sure if it could help but I had the same problem right after F9 install and in my case, the "solution" [a stab in the dark] was to unmute the "Surround" option in the mixer.

So maybe you could try and unmute every possible channel, too, as one of them might be the reason...

i do unmute the "surround" it still dont work for me

[bochecha]

1) Already looked at it. However, I don't know what to choose other than "autodetect". Do you have the same audio hardware as me? (I don't know if Dell uses exactly the same hardware for 2 laptops in the same serie, some things might be different...) If yes, could you provide what you have in gnome-sound-properties?

2) That's what I used to enable the surround as you did. I'll try tonight to see if another mixer can do any good.

3) They work fine, and are linked to gnome-volume-control, i.e. when I press (don't know if "press" is the right word seeing those buttons) a volume button on the laptop, the changes are made in gnome-sound-properties too (which is absolutely desired of course).

[bochecha]

i do unmute the "surround" it still dont work for meMight be an unrelated issue, do you have the same hardware?

[Chairman]

Might be an unrelated issue, do you have the same hardware?

no i built my own pc what i have in it is ASUS sound card is Realtek ALC883 High-definition audio codec, 6-channel audio port

[Ymir]

No sound here either. I think I might go get system-config-soundcard and see if that does it. This is kind of a big problem.

Profile: http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/show?uuid=pub_d3666586-ee69-419d-8d7e-796d1be38754+

[Ymir]

Ok I got that to work, now it is super quiet, even with the volume jacked all the way up.

[bochecha]

No sound here either. I think I might go get system-config-soundcard and see if that does it. This is kind of a big problem.

Profile: http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/show?uuid=pub_d3666586-ee69-419d-8d7e-796d1be38754+System-config-soundcard was removed from Fedora 9.

Here is the release notes:
8.1. Sound Card Utility

The system-config-soundcard utility has been removed, due to numerous legacy design and implementation issues. Modern technologies, including udev and the HAL, have made certain sound cards work out of the box. Any sound card not working out of the box should be reported as a bug. Preferences can still be fine-tuned within the desktop environment, using, among others, the PulseAudio tools.

[Ymir]

System-config-soundcard was removed from Fedora 9.

Here is the release notes:

Yea I know, I just installed it from fedora 8, works fine.

[sklm]

If yes, could you provide what you have in gnome-sound-properties?
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[costa]

I am sorry for lamming here... but I have the same problem...

I am new at linux, and I've tried ubuntu 7.10 first no sound there... Now I've installed fedora 9 and no sound too...

I have a realtek ALC660, lspci it finds the audio, in my sound options, it finds the ALC660, the music is playing nice but... no sound there.. =\

can you please help me?

thanks in advance

[sklm]

the music is playing nice but... no sound there.. =\
I'm not sure I follow... What do you mean, the music is playing but no sound? Music is some sort of sound, too :-)

[rgrwtrs]

I have the same problem. Everything seems to be working, pulseaudio shows a stream, but there is no sound. Its like everything is working, but the speakers are not plugged in. I know the speakers work because they do in Windows. I have VIA 8237 AC'97 with Realteck ALC250 on a Gateway MX3210.

I had the same problem in Fedora 8, I was hoping it would be fixed in F9.

[sklm]

Its like everything is working, but the speakers are not plugged in.
I believe this indicated they've been muted somehow. You may want to check all possible output channels to make sure none is mute. Like I said before, I had to unmute "Surround" to get sound work - I mean, who would've thought surround might be such critical.

[costa]

sklm, sorry my bad... I wanted to say that like rgrwtrs, everything is "working correctly" no errors.. but the sound just don't come out to the spearks...

you have to unmute surround, I have unmuted everything I found to unmute... where is that surround that you're talking about...

I am really sorry for this ignorance =S... I'm trying to learn... really sorry =\

thanks for the help ;)

[richardxxv]

How does one "unmute the "Surround" option in the mixer"?

I have a Del,l Inspiron 1420. I have:

Sound events: autodetect

Music and movies: autodetect

Audio Conferencing

playback: autodetect

capture: STAC92XX Analog

mixer tracks Device: HDA Intel (ALSA mixer)

I've highlighted Surround, but can't understand "unmuting" the device as I can't see a mute "button". How do I get to the surround option in order to unmute it?

[sklm]

where is that surround that you're talking about...Check out the screenshots near the bottom of previous page, one of them is showing the volume settings for a bunch of different channels. To get there, run "gnome-volume-control". Then, try "File -> Change" to select some reasonable option, depending on what you've got on your system. Then, go to Edit -> Preferences and enable everything related to playback e.g. Master, PCM etc - this will allow you to control the volume level via sliders, like on the screenshot.


I am really sorry for this ignorance =S...
Don't be so hard on yourself :-)

I'm trying to learn... - this is what's important!

[sklm]

How does one "unmute the "Surround" option in the mixer"?

I have a Del,l Inspiron 1420.
Exactly my case, same model. See my post above on how to enable the Surround control - basically, gnome-volume-control and from there Edit -> Preferences.

[Chairman]

Check out the screenshots near the bottom of previous page, one of them is showing the volume settings for a bunch of different channels. To get there, run "gnome-volume-control". Then, try "File -> Change" to select some reasonable option, depending on what you've got on your system. Then, go to Edit -> Preferences and enable everything related to playback e.g. Master, PCM etc - this will allow you to control the volume level via sliders, like on the screenshot.



Don't be so hard on yourself :-)

- this is what's important!

i did it and it dont work man :mad:

[costa]

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6711/capturaecrapulseaudiovoxq7.png

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5449/capturaecracontrolodevojr2.png

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2005/capturaecrapulseaudiovolx1.png

I have no surround, in this case I have it but it is separated and I have nothing muted...

Thank you for helping... you're a very nice guy.

[mbokil]

I would try fiddling around with the sound mixer settings. I had to set mine to "Analog Front" to set sound to output with pulseaudio running. The volume defaulted to zero. It is just a matter of trial and error. I clicked on each mixer setting and turned them on one by one to get the right combo of settings.

[sklm]

i did it and it dont work man :mad:Is your music player sending the stream to the correct device? Make sure it's configured to use PulseAudio or Alsa...

[sklm]

I have no surround, in this case I have it but it is separated and I have nothing muted...

What do you see if you run "pavucontrol"? Here is mine
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[costa]

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3616/capturaecrapulseaudiovoqk1.png

I see this

[sklm]

I see thisLooks good... Well, I am running out of ideas. I believe you double-checked the actual hardware volume buttons and mute button already...

[costa]

I saw some ideas a few days ago, now I lost it... but i can remember following that ideas, we had to add some lines to the /etc/promobe.conf and then to the /etc/mkinitcpio.conf.... but I don't have any of the files... just a /etc/promobe.d/promobe.conf.dist ...

some people with my sound card solved their problems like that.. =\... but like I said, I have not the files... and I've lost the forum... I'll search again... and then I'll come here to tell you something ;)

any sugestions anybody, just put there.

Thanks in advance.

[sklm]

Can you try
alsaunmute -v

[rgrwtrs]

I got mine to work. Here is what i did.

1. Open up volume control (double left click on volume in top bar or gnome-volume-control in terminal)

2. File -> Change Device -> and I chose the first option mine was "VIA 8237 (Alsa Mixer)

3. Edit -> Preferences

4. Checked the boxes for "External Amplifier" then closed

5. Went to "Switches" tab

6. Uncheck the box for "External Amplifier"

As soon as I did that all sound worked. Hopefully that helps some others out there.

[rgrwtrs]

The only issue is that when I shut down and restart (not sure about logging in and out), I have to go back and uncheck the box again to get sound. Anyone know how to make the default setting for "External Amplifier" to be off?

EDIT

This doesn't seem to be true. I restarted again and "External Amplifier" was still off and I had sound. But just in case any needs to know, the setting to disable "External Amplifier" is in "asound.state"

[Wiles]

i don't know if the issue i have is the same as yours, but i can play system sounds ok (login, generic, etc.) but no sound from skype, movies, flash, etc. hope someone gets sound fixed in FC 9 soon

[Manimalien]

I also get system sounds, such as beeps when you click something, the start-up orchestral music, etc. However, when I use youtube, which shows flashed based media, I get no sound. This is annoying and I hope this gets resolved soon.

[Wiles]

hmmn, i dunno why, but all the sound works fine now. All i did was restart the computer a few times and install a few more programs from the repo (inkscape, avidemux, mplayer) then this morning the sound works fine in vlc, mplayer, etc.

[.celleken]

I too have problems with my sound. I hear nothing except the system beep.
I have an Audigy 2 Platinum soundcard and I'm running x86_64 Fedora 9.

I'm a bit confused with the pavucontrol -> Output devices... here it shows 2 things:

- ALSA PCM on front:1 (ATI HDMI) via DMA
- ALSA PCM on front:0 (ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback) via DMA

Both unmuted and the first one is set as default (when you right click).
When I play something with VLC I see it appearing on the Playback tab.

Now... my question:

Shouldn't it be my Audigy 2 who should show on this Output devices tab?

When I open my volume control -> File -> Change device
I see 7 items in total. Item 0 is my Audigy 2 Platinum [SB0240P] (Alsa mixer)

When I launch alsamixer I don't see my audigy 2 next to the card field. See screenshot below

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Thanks in advance ;)

Bart

[techmum]

On a Dell Inspiron 1525, unmuting the Surround sound fixed my problem with no audio.

[richardxxv]

Exactly my case, same model. See my post above on how to enable the Surround control - basically, gnome-volume-control and from there Edit -> Preferences.

:) thanks so much for the help. I tried getting help on VanLUGs newsgroup, but I think the rest of us all on Ubuntu and couldn't help me. The help is awesome: Why do the authors of the books not put such useful information in their books?

Now I might need help getting my HP P1005 working, I don't suppose you know this printer?

[richardxxv]

Hi sklm and everybody:

Well, I had sound this mornning, and now I get the following from Sound Juicer (sklm will, I'm sure, remember that he said that he and I have the same computers). how do I fix it:

Error playing CD.

Reason: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed

[sklm]

Reason: Internal GStreamer error: state change failedWell, I've just tried this Sound Juicer thing for the very first time, just to see if I would get any problems but it is working fine. I was able to play some tracks from audio CD and also extract and encode some to FLAC format - it all worked out without a hitch.

As your problem seems to have something to do with gstreamer, here is what I've got on my Fedora, just in case you want to compare:
$ rpm -qa *streamer*
gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.5.svn20070924.fc9.i386
gstreamer-tools-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-python-0.10.11-2.fc9.i386
gstreamer-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.7-1.fc9.i386

[richardxxv]

I attempted rebooting the computer and the sound plays. However, I did rpm -qa gstreamer, and the results follow:

$ rpm -qa *gstreamer*
gstreamer-tools-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.5.svn20070924.fc9.i386
totem-gstreamer-2.23.2-2.fc9.i386
gstreamer-python-0.10.11-2.fc9.i386
gstreamer-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.7-1.fc9.i386

[sklm]

Looks pretty much alike. Except for the totem stuff, which I don't use - I prefer mplayer

[phamductri]

I use Fedora 9 with KDE 4, I unmuted every single channel in the KMix, still no sound, I have been looking around for solutions, but they all confined to Fedoar 8. Please help.

[richardxxv]

sklm:

is it possible to use totem and mplayer? Would I need to delete the "totem" line to do that? Only curious; not sure if that is exactly what I want to, or will end up doing - just curious.

Richard

[sklm]

sklm:

is it possible to use totem and mplayer? Would I need to delete the "totem" line to do that? Only curious; not sure if that is exactly what I want to, or will end up doing - just curious.

Richard
Totem and mplayer are just two different applications to play multimedia files. I believe you can have as many different players in your system as you want. If you decide to get rid of e.g. totem then just uninstall totem* packages, like "yum erase totem*" or maybe from yumex or rpm or whatever package manager you prefer.

[ramblezeus]

Thanks...
The surround mute option fixed my no sound problem...
Yet to check out my volume levels.

[abarnes]

I attempted rebooting the computer and the sound plays. However, I did rpm -qa gstreamer, and the results follow:

$ rpm -qa *gstreamer*
gstreamer-tools-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.5.svn20070924.fc9.i386
totem-gstreamer-2.23.2-2.fc9.i386
gstreamer-python-0.10.11-2.fc9.i386
gstreamer-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.7-1.fc9.i386


i am new... :)
installed fedora 9 about a week ago and my sound card wasnt detected :eek:
i ran the above code and these are my results:

gstreamer-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
totem-gstreamer-2.23.2-2.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.5.svn20070924.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.7-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-tools-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386
gstreamer-python-0.10.11-2.fc9.i386

when i double left click on the volume control in the top right of my screen i get the following error message.

"no volume control Gstreamer plugins and/or devices found"

when i go to the sound preferences, in the bottom section for devices there is nothing there.

when i go to pavucontrol there is nothing there, in the bottom right "SHOW: all output devices"

i do not remember what my sound card is off hand, i will reboot computer into windows :(
and write down what i have.


any help will be greatly appreciated

[abarnes]

hello again

i just checked and my sound card is built into the motherboard.
"intel 82371 AB/EB"
the windows drivers are from crystal semiconductors, crystal wdm audio codecs

[richardxxv]

thanks sklm,

I forgot to do the system-config-printer... what a dufis I am! LOL Now it feeds paper, which is really great in itself, but there's nothing on the paper, which could likely be that the laser needs replacing, but is there a more complicated (read "command that I am unaware about") or should I pick up a replacement laser?

[rapiddescent]

I have the same hardware as the original poster (Dell 1525n - the one that comes with ubuntu). I was installing fedora9 last night and had sound through the headphone jacks but not speakers! Been researching today in order to fix tonight...

this link looks interesting, http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=188642

as does another that suggested that you switch off the surround sound in kmix 9if you're using the new KDE)

[richardxxv]

Hey sklm (inquisitively):

I have sound on almost everything in Fedora, except Youtube files. Do you know where I go to fix it?

Thanks

Richard

[asun]

I have some issues with sound in F9 as well. Here are some background info: I'm running it with onboard sound that says "nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio" and using snd-hda-intel. I also have Radeon HD2400 video card, which apparently can stream audio via the HDMI output too. It shows up as "ATI Technologies Inc RV610 audio device".

Now to the problems:
1. Pulse audio doesn't work at all. No audio out when using pulse, via the analog out, spdif out for the onboard sound. I dug somewhat deeper and found out that the chipset is actually ALC 888S but that doesn't help.
2. ALSA works fine, checked with mplayer, amarok, etc.

Does anyone see the same problem? Also, while googling around, I found out that a52 codec would be really cool, but there is none available for fedora. Can someone point me to the right direction?

[Manimalien]

Thanks...
The surround mute option fixed my no sound problem...
Yet to check out my volume levels.

I just rebooted my computer after doing 2 things and the sound is now working fine. One of these things could have done the job:

1) I installed the latest (May 23, 2008) update packages for F9.

2) I also went into the volume control and unmuted the surround option.

Then I rebooted my computer and the sound works just fine. I do not know whether it was the update or my unmuting the surround option in volume control that resolved this issue for me, but I just wanted to let other users with this problem know and give them some information which could help them. I hope other users find this information helpful. :)

[gayleard]

I don't know if I had the same problem; I had no sound
on my ThinkPad T23 with Fedora-9 + KDE.

In my case I found that killing pulseaudio (killall -9 pulseaudio)
and then re-starting it seems to have solved the problem.

When I tried re-starting pulseaudio (pulseaudio -D)
I was told that it could not re-start because I was not in the pulse-rt group.
I've no idea what this is, but I added myself to the group with vigr
(and vigr -S to add to the shadow file)
and then I could start pulseaudio and sound came back.

It was very quiet, and then I saw in a posting above the suggestion
to use the keyboard sound keys to raise the volume,
and this brought the volume up to its previous volume.

All this might perfectly well have been irrelevant,
as I found before that while sound was never on after re-booting
it sometimes came on if I fiddled with Applications=>Sound Mixer .

Sound really is in an appalling muddle in Fedora-9.

[sklm]

Hey sklm (inquisitively):

I have sound on almost everything in Fedora, except Youtube files. Do you know where I go to fix it?

Thanks

Richard

Make sure to install libflashsupport:
# yum install libflashsupport

If it doesn't help we'll continue from here.

[rookcifer]

Same problem here. No sound. I have an old Soundblaster Live! 5.1 card. I am surprised that so many Linux distros I try STILL cannot make a very common 8 year old card work out of the box -- but it's just the way it is.

At any rate, on other distros I have had to change my Master channel from default to "Wave" in order to get it to work. However, I don't know how to do this under the Gnome sound mixer (I'm a KDE guy, but F9 with KDE4 is too buggy so I am using the Gnome version).

[richardxxv]

Thanks again sklm

[Big_Gray]

Try to disable digital audio output in mixer. I solved this problem by muting IEC958 in Kmix.

P.S. My sound card is Audigy ES.

P.P.S. Sorry for my english - i'm from Ukraine.

[RusFuture]

Hi, I am new to the Fedora forum, but am an old Linux user. I just installed Fedora 9 on an old DEC p/c,
which has a built-in SoundBlaster card on the system board. Fedora 9 is just beautiful, compared to the
1999 version of Redhat Linux 6.1 previously on the machine! Gnome works, and Firefox 3beta5 seems
stable, except it comes up in "offline" mode, now that I have installed the security updates (the original
install was ok.) Curiously, the install went well, and all the network stuff configured ok, and worked
well, but when I did the security update (about 12 or 15 packages), the system would boot fine, but I
would not have any network! I have had to edit /etc/rc.d/rc.local and insert a line that restarts the network.
eg: /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
This allows me to boot and have the network up and running. But how can I get the Soundblaster device to
work? The last Linux version I was really familiar with was Slackware, from about 9 years ago. I don't
know "grub" and the wrappers on wrappers on wrappers that seem to surround the rc.d startup stuff,
so I am completely at a loss in trying to diagnose and fix my silent running box... In Gnome, the volume
control has a red x beside it, and Gnome reports no audio devices installed. I have tech details on base
addresses and IRQ for the Soundblaster device, but cannot even determine a starting point where I
might begin to track down why this device can't be seen. I have exactly the same symptoms reported
by "abarnes", ie. clicking volume control in Gnome gives:
"no volume control Gstreamer plugins and/or devices found"
and I share the same hardware (Soundblaster) and sentiments (arrrgh...buggy distro) as "rookcifer".

So.... anyone who might be able to shed some light on where I might start to look to track down why
the soundblaster cannot be seen, please let me know.

One useful hint... not on sound, but on Firefox... I found Firefox 3beta5 kinda slow. Much slower than
Firefox 2, which I have on a Win2000pro machine of the same vintage. I ran "top" and the Gnome
system monitor, and saw CPU was almost 100% busy. In the "Firefox" bash script in /sbin, the comments
suggest that "pango", which runs in conjunction with Firefox, can be disabled by uncommenting out two
lines which then set a variable which prevents pango from running with Firefox. This improves Firefox
performance, at least on my old beast ( a 300mhz Pentium II, with 256 mb memory).

All in all, except for the "no sound" problem, I am quite impressed with the "out of the box" features of
Fedora 9. I downloaded and created the 7 CD-ROM disks that comprise Fedora 9, and once I tweaked
my machine's BIOS so that it could boot from CD-ROM, the install was fairly straightforward.

I have several machines networked to a small ethernet hub, routed through a Linksys wireless router,
which is tied to a 3 megabit/sec Motorola transceiver on the Bell network. This home-LAN works so nice,
- and I really hope to remain a Vista-free zone! Fedora 9 looks like it might let me do this - assuming that I
can get the darn Soundblaster working.

If someone could just give me a quick, thumbnail-sketch of how a "grub"-based loader works with Fedora 9
to sysgen/boot a machine, that would be enough to get me started. As "rookcifer" pointed out, it is
surprising that this Linux cannot autoprobe and configure something as common as a Soundblaster
card on IRQ5 in a production-grade distro as slick and well-engineered as the Fedora 9 system appears
to be. If and when I can track this problem down, and get my sound working, I will report back to this
forum with the results.
- Rus

[glennzo]

For all of you in this thread with sound issues. I started reading the posts here because I had no sound (Fedora 9) when using Rhythmbox or Exaile and trying to play an internet stream. Sound has worked in the past so I thought it was a little odd that it wasn't working now. The issue here is no sound with the above mentioned audio players when trying to stream music. The players are working. They are showing the name of the stream, notifications are working and it's showing the time of the track, but no sound. System sounds work, I am able to play MP3's even from a networked computer and I get sound if I play a video from the popular web sites (YouTube, etc). I've fiddled with PulseAudio settings and the volume controls and mixer. Nothing worked until I actually played an MP3, then suddenly I'm able to hear the stream from the web. I know that this doesn't tell anyone how to fix anything. It does tell me that sound works. The stream has been playing while I'm compiling this post. Guess it all just needs a little more tweaking. Also, just because I can hear the stream now doesn't mean that it will work the next time I log in but it's a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. So,

System sounds work.
I can play and hear MP3's, local and networked.
I can hear sound in web video.
I can hear sound from an internet stream, for now at least.

I wonder why I heard nothing from Rhythmbox until I played an MP3. Played it for all of 15 seconds then tried Rhythmbox again and there was sound?

If I learn more I'l post my findings here. Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on this thread. (The stream is still playing and I can hear it).

[RusFuture]

Hi, back again.
Ok, after a lot of reading, here is where I am.

- My sound chip is a Crystal 4236B, and after studying ALSA site, I determined there is a driver...
called "snd-cs4236", which can be dynamically loaded into the kernel, using "modprobe"

Now, when I run " /sbin/lsmod" to see if I have any sound-drivers, I don't see any.

So, I did the following: (doing an "su" to root, of course..)

- edited the "modprobe.conf" file in /etc, and inserted what was suggested by the ALSA site. Essentially,
the parms for the sound card, which are (I think):

options snd-cs4236 index=0 port=0x220 cport=0x388 isapnp=0 dma1=1 dma2=0 irq=5

Then, I run "/sbin/modprobe" to insert the "snd-cs4236" driver into the Fedora kernel, with:

/sbin/modprobe -v snd-cs4236

The -v option (for verbose), tells me this worked. I confirm it worked with "/sbin/lsmod | more" to
show me a revised listing of the modules, and also check results by running:
/sbin/dmesg

and I can see that now I have a bunch of "snd-...." drivers evident, and dmesg seems to indicate
that they got put in the right place. (Help on this, anyone? What should dmesg show me if
the sound-device driver is loaded correctly?)

So, I figured I had it, eh? No. No chance. I still have no f**king sound, and I am really pissed
about this. (my problem, I know...) But this really should *not* be this difficult. (rant,rant,rant..)

BTW, the P/C speaker utility IS working, through the attached stereo speakers, so I know that
the hardware is not pooched. In "tty" mode, I get all the annoying system beeps if I try to
backspace at a bash prompt, for example...
Marching on, I find a "pulseaudio" test file which tests the speaker.
(if I do "ps -aux | grep pu", I can see that "pulseaudio" process is running...)
So, I run:

/usr/bin/speaker-test

(this reports a bunch of ****e about how it will test the speaker with
16 octaves of pink noise, and so on,) but it ends with:

*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to create stream
Unable to set hwparms for playback, Input/output error
Setting of hwparams failed: Input/output error
--------
Now, this is actually pretty useful info. Problem is, I have diddled and fiddled
with the params for the loaded driver - loading and unloading the thing - and
so on, and so far, nothing works.

So, question: Is the "snd-cs4236" driver ok in Fedora 9 ???

I can't seem to find any documentation that describes the system configuration
process, or any analog of the old "linuxconf' utility that I used to be able to run
on old versions of RedHat to tweak stuff. And my network startup has now just stopped working
on bootup, and so I have had to put a "/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart" command in my
"rc.local" file in /etc/rc.d. Why, I wonder... but at least I can type this msg now..

Also, Firefox 3beta5 is coming up in freaking "offline mode", and I can't find anything
to fix that stupidity. (Why would a web-browser start in "offline mode"??? - that's
like a car starting in "non-drive" mode, or a hospital emergency room working in
"non-help" mode. Too much of this idea already. The "offline mode" should be
just removed as a Firefox option, IMHO.)

What is really curious, is just how bloody excellent the entire Fedora 9 visual stuff is.
It is just awesome - the Matrox card is fully detected, and I have a truly magnificant
visual experience on this old technology. Fedora 9 is a wonderful facility, if the
damn sound card issues could be fixed. Firefox and Gecko are a bit slow, but the
quality of rendering is fine, and the delays are only just noticable.

BTW, Pulseaudio reports when it fails, that there is a "Troubleshooting" option
at the Pulseaudio website. I searched the entire website, "www.pulseaudio.org", I
think it was, but found nothing but blather about some "Trac" product. There was
no information about pulseaudio, the product. I don't really want to browse the
bloody source code, so could someone please tell me if there is anything anywhere
to assist in debugging this "pulseaudio" thing? Is there something like:

"How to get Pulseaudio working on Fedora 9 " ??

Any info appreciated. There must be a way to get this sound stuff working, and
it would be good if someone could write a "sound-card configuration on Fedora 9",
as apparently, lots of folks are having serious trouble with this issue.
- Rus

[RusFuture]

I see this is not a high traffic place, so I will just note what I discover, for those who might want
sound on their Fedora 9 installs...

More doc study shows that there is no doc. Documentation notes on "KernelCommonProblems"
suggests you look in /usr/share/doc/Kernel-doc-<version>/Documentation/sound/alsa/alsa-configuration.txt.
This directory does not exist on Fedora 9 install. (!)
The /usr/share/doc/alsa* directories are also useless. They contain code scripts, and copies
of the damn GNU public license, but little else.

Come on, people. If you are remotely serious about this thing, you have to tell people how
to make it actually work. You *MUST* have some real documentation, somewhere.

My advice to those considering Fedora 9, would be, if you need sound system support,
you probably want to go with a different platform, or else find someone who has a working
machine, and make sure you can replicate their hardware profile. This ALSA
and Pulseaudio stuff is just some experimental code, and little else. Without real
information on how to configure it for a working Linux kernel,it is of little use outside
the development lab.
- Rus

[hyperspace]

Jeepers. You just posted an hour and a half ago. Based on your first post, you seem very adept at solving problems. Others on the forum are getting their sound issues resolved. Matrox and Crystal 4236B. Must be an older system. May be part of the issue.

The Firefox issue should be resolved by disabling the NetworkManager service and enabling the network service.

[thunderogg]

I remember having to go to System/Preferences/Hardware/Sound and under Default Mixer Tracks highlight Master in the list below. This is what will work as volume control. After my install, it was not set to anything and I had no sound. Maybe it will help someone. :)

[marko]

RusFuture:

Another big problem is your post is on the fifth page of a
different thread (ie not started on your problem as post 1)
that's probably petering out. It would be better to create
a fresh post for your issue. A common "no sound"
cause is a mixer, either "kmix" or the pulseaudio mixer
has it channel muted or turned way down.

I guess I'd suggest going to multimedia in the
launch menu and run both Kmix and pulseaudio volume control
(binary name is pavucontrol ) if you're using KDE like
I do. You probably tried the mixers and volume controls
already though.

Firefox and Gecko are a bit slow, but the
quality of rendering is fine, and the delays are only just noticable.

Just a guess here but Firefox3B5 is still a beta and so is full
of debug traps and symbols/hooks for testing. I'm not sure
if the RC1 and RC2 would be the same but try the RC's,
I have RC2 running since it's been out a while. Firefox 3 won't
be at it's normal speed probably until the official is out and
all that stuff is compiled out.

[RusFuture]

Hi again...
I promised to post a followup here. Sorry if I'm not following protocol on where/how to post,
but I want to share this info, since I have spent virtually two fully days on this, and I have solved
it, and others (without sound!) may have a "need to know"...

RIght now, on my old DEC-5000, I am running the Rhythmbox Music Player, and listening to
Vivaldi's Four Season - and at a decent volume (another small issue...). It is wonderful.

So, here is what I had to do.
- first, I determined exactly what kind of card/chipset I had in my machine. It is a Crystal 4236B,
and on the ALSA website, there is a well written description of exactly what the params are for
the associate driver. The driver is "snd-cs4236", and it is included with Fedora 9. Also, the
Soundcore module is compiled into Fedora 9, so I did *not* have to compile any source to make
this work. But I had to insert the snd-cs4236 driver into the kernel, using the "modprobe" tool.
This involved working from tty mode, outside of X-windows.
From root: (and using a "more" filter, to see

> lsmod | more --- to see the modules in your kernel
(use this info to see if your card's driver is loaded ..)
> dmesg | more --- shows the result of your system bootup
(if no card driver, use this to see what went wrong...)

> ps -ax | more --- show all process on your machine. You want to see
the pulseaudio process somewhere.

- I read the entire pulseaudio website, (the wiki), "http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki". This is
a very good site. A trick I used was to start pulseaudio as a seperate session, from tty mode,
and diddle around with the command line interface. This is a really good tool, since you can
load and remove pulseaudio modules.

- I could not run pulseaudio from an non-root session easily, until I modified the PolicyKit, which
is on /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf. You run the man page for policykit.conf
> man policykit.conf
and it will tell you how to create a simple xml-style parm file to give your non-privilaged user
privilages, since you need these to be able to do real-time scheduling. I put into the PolicyKit.conf
file 3 lines to give my non-root account full access. Eg:
<match user="myaccount">
<return result="yes"/>
</match>
- then, in another tty session, I started pulseaudio, after creating a pulseaudio startup file as per
the suggestions on the pulseaudio wiki. Specifically, what I did was to create an executable
script which runs the pulseaudio server. Eg:

!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF

# Create autoload entries for device drivers
add-autoload-sink output module-oss device=/dev/dsp record=0 sink_name=output
add-autoload-source input mdule-alsa-souce device=hw:1,0 souce_name=input

# load protocols
load-module module-esound-protocol-unix
load-module module-native-protocol-unix
load-module module-cli-protocol-unix

# set default devices
set-default-sink output
set-default-source input

- this file is run in a different session, and at least gets my pulseaudio server running.
It is a kludge, and I provide it so that folks can see how to debug stuff like this. Once you
get the pulseaudio server running, the little volume control, in your X-windows session,
will now show itself working.

- To get the snd-cs4236 driver into the kernel, I did the following (from root)

- edit file "/etc/modprobe.conf", and insert the device parameters that the snd-cd4236
drivers need. This is just a one-line entry:

options snd-cs4236 index=0 enable=1 isapnp=0 port=0x220 fm_port=0x388 dma1=1 irq=5

- I fiddled around using modprobe to load and unload the snd-cs4236 driver dynamically, but you
want to to be there at boot time, right?, so I edited the "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" file, the file you can
tweak to put local bootup changes for your specific hardware. My /etc/rc.d/rc.local file now
has:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart --- I now need to restart net to get interet online
/sbin/route --- shows my Linksys gateway/router is indeed
alive and on the air

/sbin/modprobe -v snd-cs4236 --- this sticks the snd-cs4236 driver into my
Fedora 9 kernel. Use "dmesg" after boot to
confirm this got done.

- Now, after all this that I did, everything above here... the damn sound still did NOT work. Wild, eh?
So, I figured that the little driver "pcspkr" might be interfering. I went to google,and searched:
"blacklist speaker", and found instructions on how to to that. These are:

edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - this is system "blacklist" file, you should create your
own, called "blacklist_something" , but I just edited
this one to test.

blacklist pcspkr <--- stick this line into file, at the end. This whacks the
pcspkr driver, which allowed my snd-cs4236 driver
to bind successfully, it seems.

I note that I still get an error if I go to a root tty session, and try to run the pulseaudio "speaker-test"
program. I get a "-111 cannot connect to server" error, but in X-windows, all the sound programs
(mixer and volume) work ok. At first, volume was real low. I had to select system/preferences/
hardware/sound and run the mixer to up volume slider-bars, as several posts have suggested.
Hope this material is useful if you are trying to debug your sound system. I also want to do a
full "mea culpa", and reverse my previously ill-founded opinion of Fedora 9. I am having a few
teething problems with it, as it is young and new), but it is a bloody wonderful system, really.
It seems to preserve enough of the old look-and-feel of 1990's Linux systems - ie. you knew
that if you hacked and whacked enough, you would *always* be able to make them work -
and yet it provides a level of functionality that makes it a serious competitor to Windows platforms.
I will try to write up some of what I have learned into a "HowTo" file at some point.
Anyone able to tell me, where I should post something like that? (I don't have access to a
news-server).
Again, hope this is useful for those debugging sound problems. Thanx to all who replied or
made suggestions.
- Rus.

[marisdembovskis]

HI folks, hard stuff this sound.
I just installed 9 Fedora everything works fine, except no sound. I have Asus notebook.
Read all this, tried those things. not working.

any ideas will be appreciated.
smolt profile:
http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_a2180680-d811-4ff6-9004-e13c2255645a

[hyperspace]

WOW, RusFuture! Very impressive. Maybe this should be turned into the F9 Sound Howto.

[marisdembovskis]

[root@localhost ~]# /usr/bin/speaker-test

speaker-test 1.0.16

Playback device is default
Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels
Using 16 octaves of pink noise
Rate set to 48000Hz (requested 48000Hz)
Buffer size range from 256 to 2097152
Period size range from 128 to 524288
Using max buffer size 2097152
Periods = 4
was set period_size = 524288
was set buffer_size = 2097152
*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to create stream.
Unable to set hw params for playback: Input/output error
Setting of hwparams failed: Input/output error
[root@localhost ~]#



[root@localhost ~]# /sbin/lsmod
Module Size Used by
bridge 46104 0
bnep 14464 2
rfcomm 34576 4
l2cap 22272 16 bnep,rfcomm
bluetooth 47588 5 bnep,rfcomm,l2cap
fuse 41116 3
sunrpc 151412 3
ipt_REJECT 6784 2
nf_conntrack_ipv4 11396 2
iptable_filter 6528 1
ip_tables 13840 1 iptable_filter
ip6t_REJECT 7552 2
xt_tcpudp 6656 2
nf_conntrack_ipv6 15864 2
xt_state 5888 4
nf_conntrack 49748 3 nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack_ipv6,xt_state
ip6table_filter 6400 1
ip6_tables 14736 1 ip6table_filter
x_tables 15236 6 ipt_REJECT,ip_tables,ip6t_REJECT,xt_tcpudp,xt_stat e,ip6_tables
cpufreq_ondemand 10124 1
powernow_k8 18308 1
loop 16772 0
dm_multipath 18056 0
ipv6 221660 22 ip6t_REJECT,nf_conntrack_ipv6
sr_mod 17064 0
cdrom 32796 1 sr_mod
snd_hda_intel 336928 4
arc4 5760 2
ecb 6528 2
snd_seq_dummy 6660 0
crypto_blkcipher 17924 1 ecb
snd_seq_oss 30364 0
snd_seq_midi_event 9600 1 snd_seq_oss
nvidia 7091524 36
snd_seq 48448 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device 10124 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss 42496 0
pcspkr 6272 0
joydev 12608 0
snd_mixer_oss 16768 1 snd_pcm_oss
serio_raw 8708 0
k8temp 7936 0
hwmon 6300 1 k8temp
snd_pcm 67076 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
i2c_core 20628 1 nvidia
ath5k 110344 0
mac80211 187876 1 ath5k
snd_timer 21640 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 11400 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd_hwdep 10500 1 snd_hda_intel
forcedeth 46220 0
cfg80211 24840 2 ath5k,mac80211
snd 48312 18 snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,sn d_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd _timer,snd_hwdep
soundcore 9288 1 snd
pata_amd 13444 0
video 20368 14
sg 31028 0
output 6656 1 video
battery 14084 0
ac 8068 0
button 10000 0
asus_laptop 18168 0
uvcvideo 49416 0
compat_ioctl32 5120 1 uvcvideo
videodev 30208 1 uvcvideo
v4l1_compat 15364 2 uvcvideo,videodev
usb_storage 76296 0
dm_snapshot 18468 0
dm_zero 5632 0
dm_mirror 26116 0
dm_mod 48980 9 dm_multipath,dm_snapshot,dm_zero,dm_mirror
pata_acpi 8192 0
ata_generic 8964 0
ahci 26760 2
libata 126688 4 pata_amd,pata_acpi,ata_generic,ahci
sd_mod 25624 3
scsi_mod 120820 5 sr_mod,sg,usb_storage,libata,sd_mod
ext3 108552 2
jbd 40852 1 ext3
mbcache 10116 1 ext3
uhci_hcd 22928 0
ohci_hcd 22404 0
ehci_hcd 32268 0


[root@localhost ~]# lspci | grep Audio
00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[root@localhost ~]#

[tkoco]

RusFuture; thank you for all of the research. Give yourself a pat on the back.

My take on the 'no audio' issue is that Fedora 8 pretty much had sound working 'out of the box' whereas Fedora 9 has all sorts of problems. In addition to pulseaudio issues, gnome mixer control has issues. My system has 2 sound cards and Fedora 9 with the default gnome desktop was installed. After much hair-pulling, I wiped out pulseaudio on my system and configured the sound for ALSA. I went into the sound preference menu and select one card as the default mixer. Sound was working quite well. After rebooting the system, the sound went away again. I checked the sound preference menu and the mixer had reverted to the prior setting. So, there are other issues involved with this 'no audio' problem which would explain why other community members are still having audio problems.

I am reloading Fedora 9 as a KDE desktop. Hopefully the KDE team did not mess up the 'artsd' sound daemon.

[boryn]

I have also sound problems. In some application it works in some it doesn't. Check if your user account is the member of pulse-rt and pulse group. I guess you must belong to those groups if you want to use pulseaudio?

[tkoco]

A follow-up to my previous message:

Fedora 9, KDE desktop (sans pulseaudio) works very nicely. No audio problems, nice and stable. I intend to run KDE until the pulseaudio/Gnome fracas settles down and the problems get resolved without having to dig into the guts with editors.

[xavrox]

i have install fedora 9 on my laptop Asus x51h series, then i install mplayer, it works properly when playing video or audio file but the sound is not coming.
please if someone knows how to solve this problem
!!!!!!!!!!!please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xavrox]

i don't exactly what to do?

i can see the video playing, but no sound, and also same case for the mp3 files , everything is working properly only the sound is not coming.
i have been trying lots of suggestions on this forum but still the same thing.
if anybody can help please

[tkoco]

A follow-up to my previous message:

Fedora 9, KDE desktop (sans pulseaudio) works very nicely. No audio problems, nice and stable. I intend to run KDE until the pulseaudio/Gnome fracas settles down and the problems get resolved without having to dig into the guts with editors.

I had to flush Fedora 9 in favor of Fedora 8. I found a serious problem with the drivers for the IDE bus. The 'dmesg' output indicated a huge amount of read errors with a cdrom or DVD inserted into the dvd drive. The errors were so bad that the automount/udev drivers could only automount a media about 50% of the time. I flushed Fedora 9 this morning. Fedora 8 is free of these errors.

Just wanted everyone to know.

[Bad2theBone]

I have PulseAudio/ALSA on a Gnome Desktop on Fedora 9. I am having intermittent problem with PulseAudio not working. There are times that when I first boot and log in as my normal user the daemon does not get started. I find logging out, then logging in as root on the X-term, logging out then logging in again as my normal user will fix it. I am not able to manually start the daemon from the CLI as I'll get the errors that were mentioned in an earlier post. Another characteristic of the problem was that even if it was working at first, it would die causing Rhythmbox to lockup. This may have had something to do with the recommended settings for the pulseaudio daemon.conf for Skype users. I removed the suggested changes to the config file and it seems to have eliminated the dropping out part of the problem. However it did not remove the original problem, which again is intermittent as sometimes on logging in after boot all seems to be ok, and this may go on for 2 or 3 days and then back to having to log in first as root, before logging in as myself. I have also noticed that over time just having FF3 open with 2 or 3 tabs active, T-Bird-2.0.0.14, GnuCash-2.2.5, OOo-2.4.1-Calc, and Calculator, all miniimlized along with Rhythmbox-0.11.5 playing on the 2nd desktop, that memory starts fillinf up and then starts paging out. When VM gets to around 5% and above is when I'll start loosing things, like pulseaudio. Yesterday I noticed that I lost functions within GnuCash and was unable to perform certain transactions. Is there a memory management issue maybe with pulsaudio?

[bavinic]

Ok, this solution worked for my problem, which was no sound during video playback in Firefox.
I'm using F9 with KDE4.1 which by the way, is great!!

BaVinic :D

Make sure to install libflashsupport:
# yum install libflashsupport

If it doesn't help we'll continue from here.

[pspsilveira]

RusFuture did a heck of a job. You can find the original posts #61 and #66 at page 5:
http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1026152&postcount=61
http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1026639&postcount=66

I am also impressed, but I am newbie and I could not perform many crucial steps he (or she?) suggested. Let me share an E.T. story of my own, and then tell the people how I solved my "no sound' problem (yes, I succeeded following another way).

1. MY STORY --------------------
I have no intention to disagree with or diminish RusFuture's work. I am not a geek; I intend to be a simple Linux user. However, initiated guys in Linux assume that everything is transparent. My story is about a Geek giving instructions to an E.T. just arrived on Earth:
Geek: - Before we can eat, please go to the bathroom and wash your hands.
Do you think the E.T. is going to get it right for the first time? Geeks
have to realize that usual things have no instructions anywhere. Newbies
like me may have a hard time to follow instructions to fix things. The
conversation between an E.T. and a Geek would look like:
E.T.: - Sure... but how can I find the bathroom (by the way, what is a bathroom?)
Geek: - Go to the third door at left. Open the door. A bathroom is a
multifunctional room where you can also wash your hands.
E.T. - What should I use to wash my hands?
Geek: - Water and soap.
E.T. (coming back): - I found the bathroom, but it is awfully confusing. There are many sources of water in the bathroom. Which one should I use?
etc.
That's my feeling in the Linux world. :-)

2. MY SOLUTION --------------------
Using the terminal as root I first updated my system. If you don't know how, go to
Application->System Tools->Terminal and type
# su
(provide your root password)
# yum -y update

After that, I used a nice tool called Easylife. You can find it
under http://easylife.dulinux.com/
You have to download a RPM file to your computer, and then install it by right clicking the downloaded file and choosing "Open with Package Installer" (there are other ways, of course).
After installed, you can find an access to EasyLife under
Applications->System Tools

Read EasyLife panels and select everything you want, including "Media Players". Somehow, after EasyLife's modifications and a reboot, the sound was fixed. Although my solution bothers me a bit because I have no idea why the sound was fixed, it was pretty good for an E.T. that could finally wash his hands.

I hope it helps.

[joolly]

Hi,

I installed Fedora 9 yesterday on my new laptop. Works fine, except for the sound.

Here is the link to my smolt profile: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_d8da7236-9a3b-44eb-99ff-3ffcd355f397

I have to say that my laptop came pre-installed with Ubuntu 7.10 and that the sound was working. However, now that Fedora 9 is out, Ubuntu is no longer wanted :)

To the problem now.

The mixers are up, I have no headset plugged in ^_^.

Pulse audio seems to detect my sound card as it appears in paman and pavucontrol.

Pulse audio seems to detect the audio streams as they appear in paman and pavucontrol.

However, no sounds gets out of my spearkers...

I have absolutely no clue where to look at, and as system-config-soundcard was removed...

Any idea?

Thanks

I also have trouble with sound. I have often read it works with Ubuntu from scratch (a friend of mine says it works also with the medion). But what can be so different with Ubuntu? Don' t they all use the same alsa?

Maybe I should try with Ubuntu myself. But I am sick with installing.