How to log-in in Fedora 9 Alpha Live KDE

[rosemary]

Unfortunately I'm a Windows user and for many reasons I have decided to try Linux. So my first step was to try it with a live distribution which is Fedora 9, but the excitement has lasted for a few minutes till I got to the log-in screen.

Maybe someone can help me how to go a step further.

Thank you.

[leigh123linux]

Moved to Fedora focus


Unfortunately I'm a Windows user and for many reasons I have decided to try Linux.


Why is a new user ( Would you try a Windows beta version :eek: ? ) using a beta ( test ) version of Fedora ? ( this forum doesn't support test versions of fedora ! )
The F9 final version won't be released till the end of April !

[bob]

Please, Please, Please...don't try an 'alpha' version of a distro. Instead, grab the stable, released version (Fedora8) from here: http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora It's not that we don't want you to have the 'latest and greatest', but Fedora's a testing distro and the alpha is full of stuff that needs testing by experienced linux users.

[JN4OldSchool]

Unfortunately I'm a Windows user and for many reasons I have decided to try Linux. So my first step was to try it with a live distribution which is Fedora 9, but the excitement has lasted for a few minutes till I got to the log-in screen.

Maybe someone can help me how to go a step further.

Thank you.

Yeah, bad bad move. I have been using linux for years and I wont even dare the F9 beta :D

Seriously, as a first time user can i suggest Linux Mint?

http://linuxmint.com/

It is an elegant distro based off Ubuntu that runs live and can be installed. It has support for most everything right out of the box, it uses the Ubuntu and debian repos so packages are not a problem. You could not ask for a better first exposure to Linux. Fedora is a great distro but it is also challenging. It would be a great place to really learn Linux, but cut your teeth on Mint first. Contrary to most I would also not recommend Ubuntu to you at this point, for a second choice you might try PCLinuxOS. Good luck and hope to see you again sometime. :)

[bob]

JN4's right on the money (again). For a first experience, Mint's the one I always recommend, with PCLinuxOS as a very close second.

[b_martinez]

I agree with all the above posts, and heartily endorse JN4's suggestion.
You really should try a version that is not a testing one. Linux Mint is a good way to look into the world of GNU/Linux and decide if it is what you want to use.
If (when) you find that it will do what you need, then you can start looking into the various distributions, and find the one that suits you best.
Good Luck!
Bill

edit: don't use any 'beta' editions. They're all testing.

[rosemary]

Thank you for your advice. I'll try Fedora 8 instead. The reason to try Fedora 9 was KDE 4.0.

Thank you again.

[ViRMiN]

F9!? Cool! Thanks for the heads-up! :p

[scottro]

If you're just booting it to see what the system looks like, there's no reason not to do do.

You didn't say what the trouble was at the login screen. If the problem was that you weren't sure how to log in, just choose the user called fedora and when it asks for a password, just hit the enter key, there isn't a password for it. It might even say that somewhere on the login screen.

However, if the problem was that it didn't boot properly, or take you to the login screen, then, as the folks above said, it's because it's an alpha.

[scottro]

Isn't anyone curious about what issue the OP ran into at the login screen? I am.

I don't have the KDE live CD around, but the live one that I have, the standard Gnome one, has the typical sloppy and careless design, indicating that the user should type a password and giving no clue as to what that password is. (By typical, I mean quite common in live CD's.)

Or perhaps it's intentionally obscure to stop beginners. <shrug>.

On the other hand, several others with a similar defect are aimed at the new user, so perhaps it is simply poor UI design.

Of course, I'm not a developer and perhaps it takes thousanda and thousands of lines of code to have somewhere on the screen, Login as Fedora Live, no password.

While I agree with the very knowledgeable people posting in this thread that the person shouldn't INSTALL the alpha version, I don't see anything wrong with playing with the live CD to get a taste of what KDE 4 will be like.

So, rosemary, if you're still following this thread, what was the issue at the login screen?

[Demz]

Moved to Fedora focus





Why is a new user ( Would you try a Windows beta version :eek: ? ) using a beta ( test ) version of Fedora ? ( this forum doesn't support test versions of fedora ! )
The F9 final version won't be released till the end of April !
from the Xorg release date i wouldnt mind betting maybe they'll push back the F9 release date to May perhaps

[leigh123linux]

from the Xorg release date i wouldnt mind betting maybe they'll push back the F9 release date to May perhaps

Perhaps they will use xorg 7.3 instead !

[Demz]

Perhaps they will use xorg 7.3 instead !
perhaps but there is no word on when Xserver 1.4.1 is gonna be released,

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

FYI, The default user name for the Live CD is fedora and the default user name is listed in the GDM screen when you login. There is no password. We merely don't auto login as to allow the user to pick a locale. So there are indeed good reasons why it is the way it is. It could be improved of course but these are constraints which we work with.

I suspect the user was not able to login due to known issues with the alpha KDE Live CD that has been fixed in rawhide IIRC.

[scottro]

It's not the most poorly designed--that would be reserved for another distro that says to use a particular password that doesn't work. :) (I don't remember which one that was, but I remember being somewhat amused at the time and it was quickly fixed.

I think most of us tend to overlook it till we see a newcomer's question--after awihle, one gets used to it. I didn't even give it a second thought till I saw the OP's question.

[w.monks]

If you're just booting it to see what the system looks like, there's no reason not to do do.

You didn't say what the trouble was at the login screen. If

the problem was that you weren't sure how to log in, just choose the user called fedora and when it asks for a
password, just hit the enter key, there isn't a password for it. It might even say that somewhere on the login screen.

However, if the problem was that it didn't boot properly, or take you to the login screen, then, as the folks above said, it's because it's an alpha.

scottro

The live disk did take me to the sign in page it had the user name of fedora
password was blank so I hit enter it returned me back to the sign in page again so I tried the usual demo passwords admin.. administrator and so forth with no luck

I did want to try KDE4 and the other upgrades ..

[bob]

Try "fedora"/"fedora" or "root"/"root" for username/password

[JN4OldSchool]

root with password root seems to work in all the Fedora lives I have tried.

[scottro]

w.monks, I think that after you get back to that login screen, it's a bit different--argh, can't find the LiveCD right now, and I'm a bit busy--where you can then highlight fedora user or something. Sigh, I'll check later--although JN4OldSchool's post makes it irrelevant.

[JN4OldSchool]

and please correct me if I missed something, but as far as a LIVE cd, I dont see the point in running as anything EXCEPT as root. I mean, the OS isnt installed on the system, probably wouldnt be running long enough for any serious hack attempts anyway and I am dubious that anyone could cause any damage this way. Of course I am far from an expert on this subject.

[bob]

Anyone using JN4OldSchool's technique and having 1). Critical System Damage 2). Sudden And Unexplained Hickies 3). Ingrown Nasal Hair ... may contact us for details that your attorneys may need. :D

[JN4OldSchool]

<shredding all documents and changing screen name> :p

[w.monks]

Try "fedora"/"fedora" or "root"/"root" for username/password

I can't it's running from the live cd..... it just keeps going back to the log on page user and password

[w.monks]

thanks for all your efforts to help me here....

over the next couple of nights I'm going to download and try out two other alpha versions
Mandriva and Opensuse live cd.. I may have to get back to ya'll on these also LOL

Have a nice day, keep safe

[Demz]

thanks for all your efforts to help me here....

over the next couple of nights I'm going to download and try out two other alpha versions
Mandriva and Opensuse live cd.. I may have to get back to ya'll on these also LOL

Have a nice day, keep safe
did you try an click on User Fedora live an then enter the password root

[w.monks]

did you try an click on User Fedora live an then enter the password root


I have tried clicking on
User and starting without entering a password

Enter the password as
Blank, root, su, user, newuser, admin, administrator, it reboots back to log on page,

If I change the user name from fedora to :--

admin, administrator, user. newuser or anything else.... it tells me "failed login" at least i get a response changing the user name.. any other way I get a reboot back to the log in page

seem to be having a boot up problem with IP address bluetooth and a firewall problem other than that everything looks fine or would be if I could get into it LOL..

THIS HAPPENS ON BOTH LIVE DVD VERSIONS GNOME AND KDE x86_64_iso

Could be that I have wasted both several hours time and blank dvd's on this project.


any more suggestions to get alpha 9 running would be appreciated

ya'll have a nice day,,,, keep save out there

[JN4OldSchool]

I have tried clicking on
User and starting without entering a password

Enter the password as
Blank, root, su, user, newuser, admin, administrator, it reboots back to log on page,

If I change the user name from fedora to :--

admin, administrator, user. newuser or anything else.... it tells me "failed login" at least i get a response changing the user name.. any other way I get a reboot back to the log in page

seem to be having a boot up problem with IP address bluetooth and a firewall problem other than that everything looks fine or would be if I could get into it LOL..

THIS HAPPENS ON BOTH LIVE DVD VERSIONS GNOME AND KDE x86_64_iso

Could be that I have wasted both several hours time and blank dvd's on this project.


any more suggestions to get alpha 9 running would be appreciated

ya'll have a nice day,,,, keep save out there


You really should have left that line out. :( It is an ALPHA release, of course you wasted your time! It is only designed for bug testing. That is it. If you found a bug then please file it with the developers, not us. It sounds to me like it could be a hardware problem, such as your graphics card. A for instance is some nVidia cards will NOT use the "nv" driver, you have to boot them under vesa.

Why are you so intent to get F9 Alpha running? Do you just want to see KDE4? There are other distros out there, I think Mandriva is one, where the KDE4 implementation is further along. This would probably be a better bet just to "check it out."

You didnt specifically say, but have you tried user name "root" with password "root?" Or try to log in in init3 as root then startx?

edit: You should probably read this whole thread, but I especially wanted to point out this particular post. This was posted right after I posted my post here, talking about F9 Alpha:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=969167&postcount=100

[w.monks]

You really should have left that line out. :( It is an ALPHA release, of course you wasted your time! It is only designed for bug testing. That is it. If you found a bug then please file it with the developers, not us. It sounds to me like it could be a hardware problem, such as your graphics card. A for instance is some nVidia cards will NOT use the "nv" driver, you have to boot them under vesa.

Why are you so intent to get F9 Alpha running? Do you just want to see KDE4? There are other distros out there, I think Mandriva is one, where the KDE4 implementation is further along. This would probably be a better bet just to "check it out."

You didnt specifically say, but have you tried user name "root" with password "root?" Or try to log in in init3 as root then startx?

edit: You should probably read this whole thread, but I especially wanted to point out this particular post. This was posted right after I posted my post here, talking about F9 Alpha:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=969167&postcount=100

yes I did read that post that is why I brought this here..

Please read my last post.... I have tried root as the password along with umpteen other things. I know it is only a alpha version. how else would one find the bugs for the developers and what hardware will and will not work with it. Like I said, I would like to test fedora 9 along with Mandriva, Opensuse Alpha version.. and everything on their live cd's

I am new to Linux and can only use it as a ex windows point and click user. I do appreciate what Linux development community have done for us. We get Linux free so to me it is worth while helping the developers with their work, by downloading and testing their alpha versions for them.. if it was not for them kind hearted guys we would not have what we have today. An excellent operating system. in any and every Linux versions.

I'm not being sarcastic here, you being a senior user of Linux, I think you only download the final releases. after every one else as contributed to the alpha testing, I may be wrong here. that's the impression that comes across to me.


Please don't criticize new users for coming here for any type of assistance on Linux. that's what this Fedora is for. is it not?

If you could also give me an address where I can contact the developers it would be appreciated thank you

Then I can contact them and ask how I can move along from the log on page..

No sarcasm meant it any way shape or form

Have a nice day. stay safe out there

[JN4OldSchool]

yes I did read that post that is why I brought this here..

Please read my last post.... I have tried root as the password along with umpteen other things. I know it is only a alpha version. how else would one find the bugs for the developers and what hardware will and will not work with it. Like I said, I would like to test fedora 9 along with Mandriva, Opensuse Alpha version.. and everything on their live cd's

I am new to Linux and can only use it as a ex windows point and click user. I do appreciate what Linux development community have done for us. We get Linux free so to me it is worth while helping the developers with their work, by downloading and testing their alpha versions for them.. if it was not for them kind hearted guys we would not have what we have today. An excellent operating system. in any and every Linux versions.

I'm not being sarcastic here, you being a senior user of Linux, I think you only download the final releases. after every one else as contributed to the alpha testing, I may be wrong here. that's the impression that comes across to me.


Please don't criticize new users for coming here for any type of assistance on Linux. that's what this Fedora is for. is it not?

If you could also give me an address where I can contact the developers it would be appreciated thank you

Then I can contact them and ask how I can move along from the log on page..

No sarcasm meant it any way shape or form

Have a nice day. stay safe out there

1. If you read MY post you would see that I was asking if you used "root" as the USER NAME in addition to the password. You did not specify this. I am just trying to cover something you may have overlooked.

2. I am not being sarcastic when I say that being new to Linux and coming from a Windows environment you will probably have many problems using F9 Alpha. I do have F9 installed in virtual terminals. It is really not ready to be installed yet. As far as you wanting to help, that is very commendable. This is what Linux is all about. But did you read what Scottro said about the testing list? There are many problems still to be worked out. How do you know what is a bug or what is your lack of knowledge? Please do not take that wrong, this is the reason why I do not file bug reports or jump to conclusions. And I have been using Linux for quite a while now and am comfortable with any distro. No, I am not a guru, nor do I pretend to be one. I know my limitations. This is all I am trying to say to you, you need to learn to crawl before you walk.

I'm not being sarcastic here, you being a senior user of Linux, I think you only download the final releases. after every one else as contributed to the alpha testing, I may be wrong here. that's the impression that comes across to me.

3. Is this supposed to be a put down? If it is then you need to understand that you are the one coming across as the idiot. We all do what we can. I am not a programmer nor do I feel I am qualified to trouble shoot a test version of a distro for the reasons I listed above. I have, however, probably filed more bug reports in four years than you ever will. What exactly IS your point here?

Please don't criticize new users for coming here for any type of assistance on Linux. that's what this Fedora is for. is it not?

4. Did I criticize anyone? This forum is a support forum for the current release version of Fedora. While we do have a few threads on the F9 Alpha version you must understand that it is NOT supported. It is expected that anyone trying this distro has the knowledge of Linux and knows the in's and out's of Fedora well enough that they can easily work around problems such as yours. If you cant even get it booted then you are not going much further because the whole distro is bug ridden and flaky at this point. However, if you still insist on trying then by all means, knock yourself out. I cannot think of a better way to learn Fedora or Linux. I am not trying to discourage you from this, I am simply trying to put things in perspective for you. F9 will have its own set of problems and challenges when it is finally released. All Fedora releases do, this is the nature of Fedora. But dont cry now that it doesnt work because it is only half baked. You still have a month to go.

As far as contacting the developers or filing bug reports, see the Fedora FAQ link on the top header of the forum home page. It isnt hard to track down.

[w.monks]

1. If you read MY post you would see that I was asking if you used "root" as the USER NAME in addition to the password. You did not specify this. I am just trying to cover something you may have overlooked.

2. I am not being sarcastic when I say that being new to Linux and coming from a Windows environment you will probably have many problems using F9 Alpha. I do have F9 installed in virtual terminals. It is really not ready to be installed yet. As far as you wanting to help, that is very commendable. This is what Linux is all about. But did you read what Scottro said about the testing list? There are many problems still to be worked out. How do you know what is a bug or what is your lack of knowledge? Please do not take that wrong, this is the reason why I do not file bug reports or jump to conclusions. And I have been using Linux for quite a while now and am comfortable with any distro. No, I am not a guru, nor do I pretend to be one. I know my limitations. This is all I am trying to say to you, you need to learn to crawl before you walk.



3. Is this supposed to be a put down? If it is then you need to understand that you are the one coming across as the idiot. We all do what we can. I am not a programmer nor do I feel I am qualified to trouble shoot a test version of a distro for the reasons I listed above. I have, however, probably filed more bug reports in four years than you ever will. What exactly IS your point here?



4. Did I criticize anyone? This forum is a support forum for the current release version of Fedora. While we do have a few threads on the F9 Alpha version you must understand that it is NOT supported. It is expected that anyone trying this distro has the knowledge of Linux and knows the in's and out's of Fedora well enough that they can easily work around problems such as yours. If you cant even get it booted then you are not going much further because the whole distro is bug ridden and flaky at this point. However, if you still insist on trying then by all means, knock yourself out. I cannot think of a better way to learn Fedora or Linux. I am not trying to discourage you from this, I am simply trying to put things in perspective for you. F9 will have its own set of problems and challenges when it is finally released. All Fedora releases do, this is the nature of Fedora. But dont cry now that it doesnt work because it is only half baked. You still have a month to go.

As far as contacting the developers or filing bug reports, see the Fedora FAQ link on the top header of the forum home page. It isnt hard to track down.

No it was not a put down, as you call it..

Yes I did put "root" as the user and "root" as the password, as I said if one changes the user default name "fedora" it says "failed login," and stays on the login page. if the default user name is left as is and enter a past word, be it blank or other then it reboots back into the log on page

it looks like someone else is having the same problem,,,, never mind one day the problem will be solved... if the developers visit this forum to see what comments are being made..

[scottro]

Ok, I am booting up the live Gnome version (standard) alpha CD.

The login screen shows me Fedora Live, Guest and Other.

Fedora Live is highlighted.
I hit enter--hold on.....

Ok, I get a screen showing Fedora Live as the log in and a textbox for a password.

I put nothing in the password box and hit enter. Session is at Default.

That works. Fedora Live with no password, at least on this CD.

Now, I logout.

I see the same screen agan. This time, I choose Other. I type in the username of root. There is no option for a password. I hit login in anticipation, but... no, it's asking me for a password.

I type in root as the password.
I get that obnoxious warning message that running a session as privileged user
is WRONG WRONG WRONG. ARE YOU STUPID???

I answer, yeah, I'm stupid. It takes away a lot of responsibility. Try it sometime, next time someone says, "What are you, stupid??" Just nod, a little puzzledly and say, well, yeah. Is that a problem?

So, on this live CD at least, the default user is Fedora Live with no password and one can, by clicking other, log in as root with a password of root.

As has been said somewhere in this thread, it is an alpha, so it's quite possible that there was something defective in your CD. However, mine defintely works that way. <shrug>.

On the other hand, if I do ctl+alt+F1 and go to the console type screen, and type in root as the login, it doesn't ask for the password. Also, neither the restart nor shutdown buttons on the graphic screen work, I had to type it in at console.