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krell
6th June 2007, 01:05 PM
The last time I triied Fedora was 5 years ago..at that time I duly noted that it was professional but
slow and I switched to Slackware and Windoze(the horror). Greetings, I am an ex-IT worker
who has long tinkered with linux and other OSs. This is my first review of a distrobution

This time my hardware is newer but still not anywhere near bleeding edge..more like middle-of-the road..
Here are my specs:

P4 3.0Ghz 64 hyperthread
motherboard: i915
sound: on-board
video: GeoForce 6200(turbo) 128MB
Ram : DDR400 1GB
full CD-DVD writer combo writemaster(Samsung)
HD: 2 SATA Drives. 120GB and 80GB
Monitor: Samsung CX226BW 22" LCD


Internet connection is roughly 2Mbits down 1MB up broadband and is DHCPed directly from a ethernet
modem. This is a big plus as pppoe support is a pain(Slackware being one of the few distros to get that r
right). Standard cheap 25 buck 3.1 speakers , no floppy, one 4GB USB stick.

To make a long story short: I am going back to linux after reluctanltly using XP for a long time : here is why. Point 1.

Fedora is the 1st Desktop I've seen that has NICE LOOKING Asian fonts. Specifically Korean.
I am not Korean but I work in Korea and would like to be able to see the same pages my
Korean colleages see and not be embarrassed by poorly formatted korean that some distros
offer(helllo Ub,,,). Note that there are localized versions of linux for Koreans but
thse are SERVER only and are not suitable as desktops. Also I just want to display it and maybe input it
occasionally, not have all my menus and messages in it. Most distros are in English or are localized
but marginal. This is a pity as the Asian market is so large and it is this simple thing that let's Microsoft dominate in that market.
Korean input though easy could be made simpler still by activating the language toggle key all
asian language keyboards have. RATING 4* out of 5

The next point is also a major reason I chose Fedora 7 over other distros including Ubuntu.
It was the first distro that correctly recognized my screen and gave me a GOOD resolution
of 1680x1050 with nothing more than the default driver (nv i guess). I imagine when I install
the nvidia driver it will be even better. Other distros gave no better than 1024x768 and
some didn't even work at all. Kudus to the new X-Server work by the Fedora team.
In fact for some reason it looks better to me than the same resolution on XP
RATING 4 1/2 out of 5

The 3rd point is that it seems SOLID and professionallly done. There are many
distros out there now that look cool and seem fast and snazy but are buggy
and feel not fully thought out. Upon hunting for answers in the forums one
is left with the feeling noone knows or cares and that more effort is being put into artwork than
in making a working distro. What would you think of a mechanic who spent all his time
painting and jazzing up the body of a car whose engine was broken?
When I accidentally caused some problems by going on a nerd-happy clicking spree
and mixing repositories(more on that later) I posted my lament in fedora foums expecting no answers for a long time if ever.
I was answered within the hour and was eventually able to fix the problem.
Fedora both LOOKS GOOD and RUNS WELL.
The boot is fast and after I found that I ran out of space on my 4GB partion in disk one,
I found a post that helped me dynamically expand the space via LVM to disk 2.
Fedora is Robust and thanks to that I have not yet needed to reinstall(my XP partition was reinstalled
twice in a month).
The Gnome desktop has a very pretty background and we are starting to see windows-like
functionality(I am not afraid to give microsoft credit for what they get right) manifest itself.
RATING 4* oit of 5

As to software , packages are more or less as up to date as any Debian distro and are
well managed by yum and a graphical interface to yum. The problems start
when you want to do what everyone does.
Play mp3s, DVDs, use Flash and Java. These do NOT work out of the box for legal and
maybe philosophical reasons as they fully explain.
All of these can be found from an UNOFFICIAL repository that is easily found on the forums.
Officially Fedora is like the last anarchist - idealistically asking people to use free alternatives.
The problem is the free alternatives don't work. The java compiler included in Fedora by default
for example does not run jin - a popular chess interface. Sun Java is needed and must be manually installed.
Two more points:
1. Beginners will walk out before doing a search and go back to XP or maybe Ubuntu.
2. Even for old unix hacks..mixing repos is very easy to do and it's very easy to boink
up your sytem. Welcome to rpm dependency hell. I feel Fedora, with its concern for security
could at LEAST warn one when a conflict is possible. I think some
of the how-tos should emphasize this too. Ideally a roll-back system would be great but that is just a dream. Some of the software like realplayer plugins and flash is still buggy on some browsers
but works in others. The situation is annoying but not a showstopper as some method usually works.
RATING 3.5* out of 5

On a general note, once one gets software that works you may be surprised to find out that
there is MORE choice of free Music jukeboxes for linux than there is for windows. Rhythmbox is easilly
more robust as an organizer of music than itunes. Finally my favorite game,
Lbreakout2 plays well in linux out of the box but sounds horrible in XP unless you install some DLLs manually - hardly the Windoze way!
P2P software is virtually the same as in Windows -even the Soulseek client works!
Opera is available and Totem when installed correctly even plays DVDs. Try finding a free
region-free-DVD player for windows - the best you will get is 30 day free trial nagware
So my overall rating of Fedora 7 is 8.7* out of 10!

danwaineo
6th June 2007, 05:45 PM
Krell,

Thanks for the informative review. I'd agree with your assessment. The repos are the hardest part of the system. I think Redhat is in a tough spot, since they really can't advertise repos containing non-free packages or even recommend a repo configuration.

My personnal repo approach is to only use livna where possible. I also get mythtv from atrpms, but don't get updates from there. All this is easy now, but probably tough to figure out for a new user. I've been a fedora user since FC3, and I used RH 7 and 7.2.

sailor
6th June 2007, 06:06 PM

Welcome to the forum!! :)
Thanks for your input...I would have to agree with most of your points...I am still breaking in my new F7 install.
I agree with danwaineo's comments as well, I use livna exclusively...although there are times when I have use other repo's for a specific application (but I never update with them enabled).

Dies
6th June 2007, 06:09 PM
Yup, I agree the repo situation is pretty bad for someone who doesn't know what mixing them will do. Once you realize that you can have as many repos as you want installed in /etc/yum.repos.d/ just not enabled at the same time things get easier.

I also stick to Livna and only get a couple packages from fresh, with lbreakout being one of them :) and gstreamer-pitfdll another that I always get but never had any problems since I only enable fresh temporarily for that install.

yum --enablerepo=whatever install something

;)

psyklops
6th June 2007, 08:27 PM
agree with the posts here. livna is the only repo i use. once livna gets mythtv, it'll be fantastic!

leadgolem
7th June 2007, 08:46 AM
With java going opensource, the java issue may not be an issue that much longer.

Wangberg
26th June 2007, 04:53 AM
dies:

how do you disable them? i understand how to use from your command...but is it a simple matter of replacing a 1 with 0?

also, i just tried out CentOS as a desktop and ended up coming back to F7...but anyways, CentOS & RedHat have a protect feature. This feature protects the base (core) repos from being rewritten by 3rd party repos when there are the same packages in both 3rd party and base repositories. Can't this be done in fedora so we can mix repos and not have to worry about this ?

lazlow
26th June 2007, 05:33 AM
Wangberg

change enable=1 to enable=0 and you are good to go.

You can protect it by installing yum-protectbase. This will protect the base install but will not end the problems with repo mixing entirely.

clearer
20th September 2007, 05:39 PM
Regarding the nv driver versus the nvidia drivers, remember to turn off dynamic twinview if you don't need it (most don't) and expect some real resolutions supported by your monitor to dissappear and some odd resolutions to appear.

My monitor can deal with up to 19odd times 1200 but the nvidia driver won't let me choose it. Under the nv driver I can get this resolution by simply configuring X to have it as the maximum.

ajamison
9th January 2008, 07:44 PM
You know the mixing repos thing would not be so bad if they would create a gui to use the protectbase plugin. It is hard to know what commands to use to enable repo protection unless you hunt through the forums. Maybe a simple GUI that checks repo file lists and determines which need protectioin and advises how to do it