Call for testing: Fedora-7-Test4-KDE-Live (F-6.93-KDE-i386-Live)

[deadbabylon]

Hi everybody.

I want to start a call for testing the Test4 KDE livecd. You know that this one is only the second test version for us (the KDE-SIG). So please help us to find all the bugs or major and minor issues related to the kde livecd.

What should be tested:
* Is the cd working for you?
* Is the installation working and bootable (#234728 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234728))?
* Is something missing?
* kdm is broken ATM. So we've to use gdm instead. Is it working for you?
* ATM there are two laptop related programs included (#237654 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237654)): klaptop and kpowersave. klaptop will be packaged into a subpackage soon. Is kpowersave working fine?


And also: If you are interested in making KDE in Fedora better, feel free to join the KDE-SIG (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE). We need every help you could offer (not only packaging, also testing).

Sebastian Vahl (KDE-SIG)

[Demz]

isn't Linus testing this aswell since he tested test3 of KDE-Live

[Paul Scott]

The Live CD boots fine for me. I then installed which also worked fine.

The Web browser and Email icons on the taskbar point to the correct applications when running from the CD. However, after installation, they point to htmlview and launchmail respectively and attempt to execute firefox and evolution - which fails.

[deadbabylon]

isn't Linus testing this aswell since he tested test3 of KDE-Live

Is he? I don't know. :)
But this issue wasn't related to a mac mini only. So any confirmation of this would be helpful.

The Live CD boots fine for me. I then installed which also worked fine.

Great. Thanks.

The Web browser and Email icons on the taskbar point to the correct applications when running from the CD. However, after installation, they point to htmlview and launchmail respectively and attempt to execute firefox and evolution - which fails.

Yes. This is workarounded on the livecd and should hopefully be fixed in #230023 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230023) or in kickerrc itself.

BTW: I've set up some small notes about the test4: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE/KDELiveCD/Test4

Sebastian

[mbokil]

The live CD boots for me on an old Athlon Thunderbird system. I liked it so much I installed the DVD ontop of Fedora 6 and I am using Fedora 7 as my main home OS. I am really impressed with Fedora 7. It seems like a lot of time was spent debugging Fedora 7. Everything worked out of the box: Flash drives, mounting/unmounting, Wifi connected, DVD burning worked, Nvidia video working, Cups server printing to HP Deskjet 6540. This version will be a big hit. Perhaps this version will silence some of the FUD I hear on other forums that Fedora is just a testbed. I think it is one of the best desktop linux experiences I have had yet.

I took a screenshot of all this goodness going on. The DE is XFCE4.4.1. The desklets in the corner are Adesklets widgets. Thunar is the file manager running. The browser is Seamonkey 1.1.1 running with the SeaGnome theme I am currently writing.

[Dan]

No boot, no joy on ze5170 HP laptop.

"Unable to find root file system"

[mbokil]

Unable to find root file system
You are probably having trouble because of the changes to the new harddrive system which supports SATA drives. This change was good but in the meanwhile it will probably cause more IO problems with this release of Fedora until all the bugs get ironed out.

[JonC]

Sony Vaio VGN-T2XP

Boot - OK

Resolution - OK, but no wide screen

Wifi utilities?
- Knetworkmanager in test 3 worked fine. But it isn't in test 4. There is no GUI for wifi I can find at all on this test.


Klaptop / Kpowersave
- both running (both with little battery icons, which is mildly confusing)
- Suspend - FAIL (still resumes to black nothingness)
- CPU scaling fine
- hibernate = confusion which gives up

Beryl
- seems fine

Sound
- same old problem with external amplifier settings

[herrib]

A post in the French forum translated what deadbabylon wrote (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE/KDELiveCD/Test4) and especially highlighted the lack in translation for the Live CD due to space restriction (attached is the reference of the thread (http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=155983#p155983)).

It appears that the live CD can speak French (partly in fact): http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13343477qr5.jpg

So what is the exact point with translation?

[Cruzader]

It installs fine for me (running from ram option, running from image gives the same problem below), but on first reboot it gives a bunch of I/O errors related to the ata subsystem. This also occurs when trying to run the LiveCD from the image (as noted above). I'm using 2 samsung ATA133 drives. This problem was also found in test3.

[deadbabylon]

No boot, no joy on ze5170 HP laptop.

"Unable to find root file system"

That problem is related to all live cds. Please have a look at this thread: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=153144

Wifi utilities?
- Knetworkmanager in test 3 worked fine. But it isn't in test 4. There is no GUI for wifi I can find at all on this test.

Yes. That's sadly true. :(
On the final knetworkmanager would definitely be there.

Klaptop / Kpowersave
- both running (both with little battery icons, which is mildly confusing)

Klaptop will be packaged in a subpackage soon. So on the final there would only be kpowersave.

A post in the French forum translated what deadbabylon wrote and especially highlighted the lack in translation for the Live CD due to space restriction (attached is the reference of the thread).

I've asked several times on fedora-devel for help with this. But there was no reaction. For test3 I've created a "template" and a short howto which explains how to remaster a localized version for your own. An I've also created an inofficial german version which is hosted at fedoraforum.de
The last week I've tested a dvd version with full language support (all kde-i18n and koffice-langpacks). But this wasn't ready for test4. The main problem there is, that you cannot choose your language in a gui. kdm is not able to do this (ok. atm we're using gdm) and so you must add eg. "live_locale=de_DE.UTF-8" at isolinux prompt.

If you (or someone else from fedora-fr.org) is wanting to create a french cd version, I could help with that. :)

It appears that the live CD can speak French (partly in fact): http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?...13343477qr5.jpg

So what is the exact point with translation?

No kde-i18n-* and koffice-langpack-*. Anaconda has included it's translations in the normal rpm.


Sebastian

[Dan]

That problem is related to all live cds. Please have a look at this thread: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=153144 Ayup! I've been aware of that since Test 3 failed in exactly the same spot. Bugs filed, no fix yet. Still waiting for one that works.

Dan

[Carlton]

Live cd booted fine. I've installed from the test cd but would someone mind posting the kernel info from the menu1st file. I prefer too edit grub on my multi-boot box instead of continually reinstall grub.
:)

[deadbabylon]

Live cd booted fine. I've installed from the test cd but would someone mind posting the kernel info from the menu1st file. I prefer too edit grub on my multi-boot box instead of continually reinstall grub.
:)

In this case I normally install grub into the bootsector of the partition, not the mbr. But here is the entry for grub:
title Fedora (2.6.20-1.3104.fc7)
root (hd1,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-1.3104.fc7 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet
initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.20-1.3104.fc7.img

(maybe (hd1,0) and LABEL=/ are different on your system)

[JonC]

Thanks Sebastian, good to know knetworkmanager will be back!

Keep up the good work!

[Carlton]

Bummer for me ! Kernel panic during first boot after installation. Reinstalled and this time let grub install on the bootsector of the partition. Same problem, kernel panic /dev/root not found.

That's enough for tonight.

[civilwarlord]

I haven't been able to use bugzilla for the one bug (annoyance) that I've experienced. My system experiences a major slowdown when on bugzilla's site.

My problem is k/networkmanager sometimes taking awhile (few minutes) to connect to my wireless network, and sometimes locking up, forcing me to kill it then start it again. This seemingly started back in FC6 after a system update, before that it only took a few seconds to connect to a wifi network. I really hope this is fixed in F7, cause this annoys me enough to move to another distro.

Other than that one problem, everything has worked fine. Well, except power management, but that only worked on opensuse.

Appears I spoke to soon, I noticed now that my externel usb hd will no longer mount, it gets detected fine, but nothing else happens. Again, this happened after the last batch of updates.
Fedora's updates seem to do more harm than good.

[antigravity]

The KDE Live CD boots but I don't know username or password to login.
Hopefully when I find out how to login I can test the installer.

[darkscot]

The username for the Live CD is 'fedora' and there is no password required.

The installation (F7 T4) is working well so far on my Sony Vaio laptop (VGN-A215Z) which is a big improvement on T3 which ran as a Live CD but would not boot when installed.

I do have the already reported double battery icons and so far I have been unable to get my network connection to work.

[Carlton]

The KDE Live CD boots but I don't know username or password to login.
Hopefully when I find out how to login I can test the installer.
Just click on the Fedora name / symbol in the middle of the screen. There's no password, it will just login as Fedora and start to load.

[Carlton]

Bummer for me ! Kernel panic during first boot after installation. Reinstalled and this time let grub install on the bootsector of the partition. Same problem, kernel panic /dev/root not found.

That's enough for tonight.
Sorry folks, I made a mistake with Grub. Test4 (KDE) is up and running nicely.

Any request for specific tests ?

[deadbabylon]

Any request for specific tests ?

You could confirm this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=238849


For all: New rawhide-livecds are released (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2007-May/msg00192.html). This time also with an x86_64 on for KDE. This should be widely testet.. And also kdm and knetworkmanager are back. In kdm the support for ConsoleKit should be testet.


Sebastian

[Carlton]

I didn't start with a fresh install when looking into this bug. I'm running test 4 with the kernel update (2.6.21-1).

I'm not sure it's a bug but the comment made is correct. When I put a usb stick in the machine no icon appears on the desktop BUT a KDE Daemon pops up and asks if you want to open the medium in a new window or do nothing. If you select open in new window, all files are displayed.

When I pop a cd in the tray, an icon does appear as the bug reporter suggests it should.

[deadbabylon]

@Storm Rider: Thanks. But this one is closed since this morning. Next push of udev (106-4) will fix this.

[ou_ryperd]

Just a short description of my experience with the KDE live CD test 4. I have been impatient about the next release of Fedora, so I blew away my XP and Mandriva partitions which I've used for years and installed from the live CD onto my AMD Sempron 1.6GHz box. No problems with the boot from live CD or the install.

There were a few applications that I require which are not included in the KDE distribution - most notably Evolution. I manually downloaded the Smart package manager from the extras repository. (Extras was still a separate repository for Rawhide, I don't know if all the rpm's are in one location at this point). I installed Smart and friends from the command line using
rpm -Uvh [rpm files]

When I fired up Smart it was already configured with the core and extras repositories for Rawhide. I added the livna development repositorylike this
smart channel --add livna7dev type=rpm-md name="livna7dev" baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/development/i386/

I configured Smart to keep downloaded files with
smart config --set remove-packages=false

The evolution icons didn't display correctly so I executed
echo gtk-icon-theme-name=\"gnome\" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0
and it was fixed.

I also require third party packages - I use the Oxygen xml editor for serious DocBook editing, so the Sun distribution of Java is best. I also need ant and a few other applications relating to the DocBook build toolchain. All of these were installed automatically either from the repositories in Smart or from rpm's that I had previously downloaded and used. Lastly, I installed Skype, BibleTime and a recent subversion build of eSVN.

I had to do more to get the correct Java running. I created the
/etc/profile.d/java.sh
script and set up the inclusion of $JAVA_HOME in the path.

I used
/usr/sbin/alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_08/bin/java 2
/usr/sbin/alternatives --config java
/usr/sbin/alternatives --display java
to configure the correct instance of Java.

Everything works very well. I have had no problems with the install so far. My HP deskjet was automagically detected and set up. My DSL connection was set up without problems. I configured iptables using the default gui tool. I did, however, disable SELinux. I don't have time to learn about it .

Only one rpm install attempt resulted in a conflict. I wanted to install Dogtail and selected it for installation in Smart. It required five or six additional packages and they were also marked and downloaded. Upon the install part in Smart's procedure, the installation failed with a conflict between some xorg- package. No hassle for now. I left it uninstalled. Everything is rosy and I will probably not even get an install disk for the actual release.

Screenshot here: http://picasaweb.google.com/ouryperd/LinuxScreenshots/photo#5065233227168390434

[civilwarlord]

The more I use F7T4, the more I dislike it. The usb thing still isn't fixed, k/networkmanager is still unreliable, samba never starts, and everything is so slow. I know it's a test release, but I really expected more from it. Even the openSUSE live dvd is faster. I'm still going to give it a chance, and I will install the final version, but, I have the feeling that even the smallest problem (usb drive not automounting) will cause me to jump distros.

[gronslet]

I've just installed Fedora 7 stable and done an yum update.
There is now only kpowersave running, but it suffers from this bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=243562
(kpowersave crashes when trying to configure it)

I was not able to find out how to install 'klaptop' - any hints? ('yum install klaptop' doesn't work, and 'yum provides klaptop' returns nothing)

Another thing: Since Fedora Core 4, I have been tweaking with Xmodmap in order to get the multimedia keys on my Dell Latitude X1 working. I've tried the keyboard model "Laptop/notebook Dell Inspiron 6xxx/8xxx" in Keyboard Layout (in 'kcontrol'), but that doesn't do the trick. Where am I supposed to report the correct keycodes, so that this finally will work out of the box in Fedora 8? :)