problem with reolustion fc6

[tux21]

i have i810e video card

had no problem with any fedora i used till now

but in fc6 i cannot set my resolution to 1024x768

even 800x600@60Hz has to be manually set after x login

here is my xorg.conf

# Xorg configuration created by system-config-display

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "single head configuration"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "i810"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Videocard0"
DefaultDepth 16
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "800x600" "640x480" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

[tux21]

Since i started using fedora core 6 i have being a victim of a unique situation encountered in no other distro.

[tux21]

Moving from Fedora to Ubuntu
With a little regret, I'm writing this blog entry. These are my opinions only.

Ever since I've been a Linux user (and now developer) I've stuck with Redhat and Fedora.
Back in 2002 I was happily using Redhat 8.0, then 9, then FC1, FC2, FC3, FC4, FC5 as each were released.

I don't tend to install "distro-of-the-month" as Fedora always did what I needed.
Recently, Fedora has been annoying me (yes, I know some have solutions).

* YUM, pirut and yum-updatesd seem to want to fight with each other all the time. This stuff should just work but the interaction seems very immature.
* It's a pain in the arse to use proprietary drivers (some hardware you don't get to choose).
* Sometimes I need to access NTFS stuff on my windows partition.
* Fedora Extras is growing all the time, but it is still no match to the packagers of debian.
* A single broken rpm/yum transaction hoses my entire system.
* Mirror balancing never worked, and often the yum update would just fail or worse, hang.
* I was compiling kernel.org kernels by hand to get all my hardware working.
* Upgrading from stable version to stable version / rawhide using yum sometimes breaks horribly.

So I gave Ubuntu Edgy 2 weeks on my new laptop, vowing to return to Fedora if I found I couldn't do certain things.

Things that have been great:

* Hardware that just works, or that works correctly after installing firmware.
* apt-get, it's faster that yum and seems to just work, Plus no meta-data downloading just to install one quick package.
* NTFS volumes that work out of the box.
* No arguing over what belongs in extras and core.
* One CD installer, that doubles as a live CD. This is amazing.
* The concept of soft-deps, i.e. where a package can "suggest" another but not depend on it. Very sane IMO.
* Ability to install modified DSDT easily without hacking the kernel.
* More random oddball packages (that I need for Uni) than in extras.
* Less licence hassle. Yup, enable the multiverse and restricted repo, and done.
* Synaptic. It's so much more mature than pirut. And it's easy and quick to use.
* Community response. I've got better response from Ubuntu dev's in launchpad than I did in Redhat bugzilla.
* Sane menus. I want to see Firefox and Evolution in my menus rather than "Web browser" and "Email"
* Boot speed. Not sure what the Ubuntu guys have done, but it's 4 seconds quicker to get me to the login window.

Things that have been less great:

* Less patches tend to go upstream from Ubuntu than Fedora in my opinion.
* Compiling a .deb seems very complicated to me compared to a .rpm.
* No compiz support out of the box.
* The horror of xorg.conf is back. Fedora seemed to detect stuff automatically which is more sane.
* No root user. Not sure this is a good thing or a bad thing. sudo seems to do what I want.
* The grub screen is hideous compared to the Fedora boot artwork. (bug filed)
* The Ubuntu shutdown is slower by one second.

So, after a couple of weeks, I can't imagine going back to Fedora, which is a little bit worrying.
Don't get this wrong, I love Fedora and think Redhat as a company are great, but I think Ubuntu is more the distro for me at the moment.

[tux21]

I have a concern with openSUSE. Will it suck as much as Fedora? Looks like it. Please prove me wrong.

Let me define “suck”:
* never release a stable version
* a corporate machine to drive sales to a retail version on the backs of those who suffer through endless development releases

Fedora has an image problem. People see it as having constant problems with each release. And so they should… they haven’t really put out a stable release yet. They also have a problem with the image of Redhat HQ with a straw stuck in Fedora’s back sucking in all the good stuff and leaving the mess for Fedora users. openSUSE’s newly published FAQ attempts to distance themselves from Fedora, but is sadly short on distance and high in marketing gloss.

From the FAQ:

Generally speaking, these open source projects focus on engineering-centric issues that serve their technical community of Linux developers and users.

The openSUSE project explicitly looks beyond the technical community to the broader non-technical community of computer users interested in Linux. The openSUSE project creates—through an open and transparent development process—a stabilized, polished Linux distribution (SUSE Linux) that delivers everything a user needs to get started with Linux.

Polish is good, but it sounds like all the polish goes into the retail version. Again, I hear the sucking sound. This time from Novell HQ. openSUSE meet Fedora.

As for “creates—through an open and transparent development process—a stabilized, polished Linux distribution”: visit Ubuntu! There is no two tiers of product: One for those dreadful unwashed developers and one for those with the proper sense to buy a boxed version.

Novell, openSUSE is still early, you have time to change your vector with community. It feels like someone in business/marketing came up with this current charge. There’s one big problem with it. If you suck all the good stuff out, and don’t replentish, you evenutally hit the bottom and there’s nothing left.

[bob]

Graphics on a lappy have generated a ton of threads and it looks like you've already tried a modeline and probably had checked 'system-config-display' to make sure everything was recognized or tried the generic settings. Have you wiped FC from the drive with Ubuntu or are you now dual-booting? In other words, is it worth exploring other options?

As to the switch to Ubuntu, it's a distro that has become #1 for more reasons than just Mark Shuttleworth's money. It does work very well for most people. You're right when you say that there's solutions to most of the items you mentioned, but no sense reviewing them here.

Any way, glad that you've found a distro that meets your needs. Perhaps you'll give FC-7 a try when that comes out and find things are back to normal for the configuration problem.

[tux21]

thats what i thought of fc6 too. Maybe i should Buy RHEL now.

By the way i have triple boot of XP,ubuntu and fc5

[tux21]

Why Red Hat will go bust because of Ubuntu




I don’t like writing controversial editorials. Controversy is an effective means to get a lot of accesses: most people seem to enjoy reading controversial articles, maybe because they like torturing themselves. (And yes, I used to read a lot of Maureen O’Gara’s articles myself!). Besides, controversy is a double edged sword: there’s very little chance that I would ever go back to those sites!

And yet here I am.

First of all: Red Hat was my first love, as far as GNU/Linux distributions are concerned. I was always frustrated by the many tgz files in slackware, and was ecstatic when I installed Red Hat 3.0.3. At that time, Red Hat was a tiny startup with a modem connection to the internet. It was based on RPM, a tool that made me finally feel in control of my system.

Now, the key sentence: I became a user of Red Hat Linux for my desktop machine (and yes, it was a bit of a challenge!), and a couple of months later, when I had to choose what distribution I should use for my server, I chose the one I was most accustomed to: Red Hat Linux.

A number of things happened in the following years (1997 to 2005). Here are a few of them, in chronological order: the packaged version of Red Hat Linux flopped (why would anybody buy it, if you can download it? Plus, yes, it was overpriced...). Red Hat went public, and started having a number of investors that wanted to see good, realistic plans to make money—which meant focusing more on the corporate market. Then, the split: Fedora came along, but it was underfunded and the “community involvement” was patchy and disorganised. Eventually, Red Hat effectively abandoned its desktop audience, to focus on the more lucrative corporate market. Then, a very smart man called Mark Shuttleworth made 500 million dollars in the .com boom, learned Russian from scratch, went to space, came back in one piece, funded several charities focussing on South Africa, and... oh yes, he created Ubuntu Linux.

Mark accomplished three things with his move. First of all, he created tons and tons of work for himself. This isn’t really crucial to my point, but I think it’s important to mention it. He also gathered a community of hackers to create what is, in my humble opinion, the first desktop GNU/Linux done right. And I mean, really right. The third thing he did, was divert tons, and tons, and tons of GNU/Linux users away from Red Hat Linux, and towards Ubuntu Linux. A lot of those people—and this is the crucial piece of information—were system administrators, who in the last 12 months got more and more used to using Ubuntu Linux rather than Red Hat. And—guess what?—now they have Ubuntu Server, which—again, guess what?—is a GNU/Linux server system done right.

I am convinced that Red Hat is now starting to realise that losing their desktop users didn’t just mean “losing the suckers who didn’t pay a cent anyway” (this is not a quote, by the way), because a lot of those “suckers” were system administrators, who will soon have to decide between Red Hat Linux and Ubuntu Server. And when you use Ubuntu Server as your home system, the choice really can go either way.

By abandoning their desktop users, Red Hat has effectively shot itself in the foot. Funnily enough, they kept on chasing the mirage of thousands of soul-less corporate customers with the real money. However, the bleeding didn’t stop altogether, and behind those faceless corporations there are thousands of system administrators who now use Ubuntu Linux rather than Red Hat Linux.

And they will want to continue to do so, as much as possible.

Good luck, Red Hat. Thank you Mark for Ubuntu.

[bob]

It's getting crazy with all the different machine combos and distros out there. What works on one borks on another. You had nothing but problems with FC6 while it's been absolutely rock solid on my machine since the first day the T-1 was released. Yet, the FC-6 Live CD won't boot properly. In contrast, I found FC-5 a bit buggy but CentOS, which is close to FC-5 is running perfectly on the same box. PCLinuxOS is excellent on my machines but won't load on my friend's two boxes. Ubuntu Dapper Drake was a bit buggy, but the quirky Edgy Eft works flawlessly on my machine.. Who knows why?

In the end, grab what works and stick with it until the next upgrade and hope for the best. It's all linux and there are a lot of good ones out there.

[tux21]

why are there no reply ?

[Wangberg]

why are there no reply ?

because your title is in regards to resolution problems...

i actually am very happy i read your post thoroughly. After seeing there was basically nothing to do with resolution (which i'm having a problem with in FC) i almost went back to the forum...but i was feeling saucy, so i read on.

I'm new to linux...about 2 weeks old. I've tried Mandrake in the past countless times and gave up because installing software was too much a hassle. I remember having problems with RPM and thinking, "if this was red hat, then RPM would always work". Another part of my reasoning for using FC is because RHE is the industry standard and if i ever wanted to be able to use my linux skills in the real world (not planning too, but just looking out for the future) i wanted to be knowledgeable with the closest thing to it.

So here i am now, using FC 6 on my second week, using a working version of linux where RPM functions. I like it because it's "not MS windows" and free, and gives me something to do with my life...but i'm thinking i like linux and not FC. But i tell myself, "FC is the industry standard and thats the most 'pure' form of linux in the industry..."

After reading your post i'm interested in knowing if you think ubuntu is good for the newcomer? Also, from what i gather (and i take your words seriously as you have been in the linux scene for 8+ years) is Ubuntu may be the next industry standard after everyone gives RH the finger for "sucking"...this in turn fits my logic for using ubuntu as it is equally as useful as knowing RH linux.

things i think suck about FC:

-the boot FOREVER
-the GUI response timing is terrible, talk about lag or latency...when i click on an icon...i want it to pop open faster than i can say 'open'
-The system defaults with sizes for my grandmother to read (i'm not blind and this isn't a MAC)
-my resolution settings aren't working
-i have to spend days trying to configure a wireless card...which ended in me disabling my wireless altogether...

i'm also moving from MS for another reason... MS is getting slower and slower with a more graphical interface. In my XP setup i try and disable everything that slows the machine down and focus as much as i can on speed and optimization. I was under the impression that linux was totally and more capable of doing that. Maybe i'm too new with linux...but i'm good as hell at optimization with windows.

I want a fast OS for running heavy applications (no games) such as GRASS GIS, QCAD, etc. I want an OS that doesn't crash when i open 5 programs at once. I want an OS that will probably never get viruses (i achieved this in windows). I want an OS that i can always learn new things about. I want an OS that will teach me things i can take into the real world and be somewhat "special" than all the others that can use Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. I'm tired of being a slave to MS.

But most importantly i want an OS that just does what i want it to do.

Is Ubuntu this OS ?

There you go...i replied to your post....please let me know what you think

[Wangberg]

a mod should really split this thread...as it is a good discussion post. nobody will read this for what it is if they see the title or the first post.

[tux21]

as a desktop user i tell you ubuntu is better

it is interesting you said

"..Another part of my reasoning for using FC is because RHE is the industry standard .."

why not read this and see why i am concerned about fedora

http://toufeeq.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-fedora-new-slackware.html

if ur busy then atleast read this phrase there

".. The only user's still loyal .. "

and i find your case in it.


:-)

[Wangberg]

i think i'm going to do ubuntu. it even seems that the ubuntu message forums have a higher volume and support.

to be direct...what is really the differences between distros? what is so special about redhat that makes it the standard?

actually though, just because FC's loyal users are sys admins, it doesn't mean that the industry standard would shift to ubuntu. Why would it? the industry will remain with whatever is marketed the best towards it, which RHE is and Ubuntu is not.

and you never really answered my questions in regards to my "ideal" OS...FC or Ubuntu ?

[bob]

The FC/Ubuntu controversy has been done to death. It all comes down to which distro you prefer after giving them a fair shake. I personally like both for different reasons and will continue to keep both, as well as others, on my hard drives. Of course, there are a ton of other great distros out there that you might also try. That's the fun of linux - plenty of choices out there and so many are getting so good that it's hard to choose. Fortunately, with drives so cheap, it's easy to keep multiple distros and have the best of each at your fingertips.

[BNiels707]

I'll chime in, first off, I don't think there really should be an Fedora Core / Ubuntu controversy. They are different products aimed at different people. Fedora Core serves as a place for Red Hat to see how new technology and packages work in conjunction with their main product, Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Red Hat has no vested interest in courting the desktop market as, for the most part, profit margins are comparatively low. Their bread and butter comes from Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

Ubuntu on the other hand is developed as the everyman's working desktop distrobution. It is not a test bed, nor is it intended to be. It is a desktop distro, no matter what people say (I have never seen, nor heard of anyone considering switching mission critical workstations/servers to Ubuntu) However, I feel it has little chance in the server market as it does not have the guaranteed compatibility industry demands (and gets) from Red Hat.

Ubuntu=stable desktop
Fedora=comparatively unstable server testbed

That being said, I love me my Fedora. It gives me an opportunity to play with new RHEL features and get familiar with new versions before I stumble across them in the wild.

[JN4OldSchool]

ahh <deep sigh> I'm with Bob, please, just put it to rest people. Linux is Linux unless you are a total noob. Then this ubungtu vs fc vs whatever "my distro is better than your distro" crap is important. But I am so far above this peon squabbling it is unreal. Who the hell cares anyway? They are all bloody free! Grow up. I dont mind discussions about the merits of any given distro. I dont mind discussions about the shortcomings of any given distro. Everyone has an opinion and I have found most people's heads are stuck up their opinion anyway. So please quit the bickering. I use Ubuntu, I use PCLOS and MEPIS and SuSE and Gentoo and Debian...Linux is Linux...

[tux21]

i guess i have the same problem After installing opensuse 10.2

might be some xorg release problem

[Wangberg]

yo tux, i installed ubuntu and i don't see what he whole fanfare is about...and as a matter of fact i think it sucks. I can't choose which packages i want at install??? a retarded monkey could install this OS. I want more control than this....i'm trying debian 3.1 and suse 10.2 today..

[bob]

(Bob bangs his head repeatedly on the desk, adding more ugly to what nature has already provided) *Sigh* - let's not dump on distros, huh? FC's great for a lot of folks, Ubuntu's excellent in many ways too. Like KDE/Gnome or Intel/AMD or ATI/Nvidia, it's all in what YOU like.

[Jongi]

I quite like Kubuntu Edgy and I used it for just over a month while I had issues installing FC6 (something a quick fsck fixed in the end). That being said, as soon as I got FC6 up and running I almost always boot up in FC.

I have to admit though I find apt-get / aptitude to be better tools than yum. I have taken to using smart instead of yum in FC (and the only issue I have with smart is that it doesn't remove the one kernel). Before that I also had SUSE 10.1 running as well and frustrations with YaST eventually led me to turf that.

[tux21]

for how long does fedora provide support to its users ?

suse gives that for 2 years , i mean updates, patches,bug fixes etc. Suse 9.3 is still supported.
http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Linux_Lifetime

even ubuntu does the same .
whiie fedora has improved on its artwork i think suse 10.2 has released a revolutionary and innovative desktop . Many distros are going to look into it if they wanna survive.


@Wangberg

"yo tux, i installed ubuntu and i don't see what he whole fanfare is about...and as a matter of fact i think it sucks. I can't choose which packages .."


do you mean which package version. If you don't mean that then surely you haven't enable the universe and multiverse repositories.

Whenever i require an odd package i can simply go and find it in synaptic. Synaptic is so good that it runs as fast as command line apt. So users tend to ignore apt commandline altogether.

I found smart to be also doing well. If ur in suse you require that .

[tux21]

Finally BLAG 6000 has being released

its an amazing 1 cd distro based on fedora core 6
(thats why 6000) They had about 50 alpha releases
and 2 beta releases after fc6 was relased to get to
this much of stability. Those who grumble and rant about fedora's bugs and problems (like mp3 support, 5 cd downloads etc ) must try this. In short it is 1 cd fedora which behaves well !!

http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=3477

what more it has adopted the ubuntu model of Shipping cd's to you for free!

http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=3486

Belive me guys they have a small yet strong forum at
http://forums.blagblagblag.org/index.php

and their developer named jebba will actally reply to your queries.

So stop wasting your time reading this and grab it.

[Wangberg]

i've installed SUSE 10.2 and fell in love. It's a great distro...once i work out the kinks i want to try and come back to FC and tackle the issues i was having with that.

[tux21]

well i consider issues i have with fc as their issues not mine.

[JN4OldSchool]

well i consider issues i have with fc as their issues not mine.

ha ha, funny! I have no issues with FC. So I guess they ARE your issues! :)

[tux21]

blag 60k is out. must try it

[JN4OldSchool]

Finally BLAG 6000 has being released

its an amazing 1 cd distro based on fedora core 6
(thats why 6000) They had about 50 alpha releases
and 2 beta releases after fc6 was relased to get to
this much of stability. Those who grumble and rant about fedora's bugs and problems (like mp3 support, 5 cd downloads etc ) must try this. In short it is 1 cd fedora which behaves well !!

http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=3477

what more it has adopted the ubuntu model of Shipping cd's to you for free!

http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=3486

Belive me guys they have a small yet strong forum at
http://forums.blagblagblag.org/index.php

and their developer named jebba will actally reply to your queries.

So stop wasting your time reading this and grab it.

dated the 16th? And you still havent rried it? lol, what are you trolling for here anyway? Shamless Blag plugs? Why not start a new thread titled Blag Linux Rocks or something then add a plug a day or so to keep it near the top? Oh, dont forget to put the Blag link in your sig.

[tux21]

thank you for responding