Why I will never go to #fedora again...

[cypher543]

Ok, before I begin my rant, let me say that I have a very low tolerance for things like this. I hate it when people just assume I'm an idiot because I don't know everything they do. I also hate it when they point this out, but then fail to explain why I was wrong. Ok... get ready for a rant...

I had a simple question related to HTTPD, which I installed via YUM. I could have taken my question to #apache (which I should have done in the first place), but since HTTPD was installed with yum and I didn't change any settings, I figured I would ask in #fedora since it could be a problem with the RPM package. I asked my question, but got no answers (which is what usually happens in there). So, I waited and watched the conversations, thinking I could learn something new from what they were talking about. So someone says: "why the hell would you mount something under /dev?" In an attempt to find out why you shouldn't do this, I said "I thought everything was mounted under /dev." Keep in mind that I did not say "But, everything is mounted under /dev." I said it with "I thought", meaning "I don't know for sure. I invite you to correct me." Here's where things started to go wrong...

The person who asked the original question says "Remind me to never come to you for helpful and accurate advice." Did I give any advice? No, I pointed out what I perceived to be the correct answer, but I acknowledged that I could be wrong by using "I thought". Obviously, he misunderstood what I had said. I wouldn't have gotten angry if he had simply said "Things are mounted under /mnt or /media." However, instead of politely explaining why I was wrong, he basically called me an idiot by saying he would never come to me for accurate advice. After getting a bit angry at this, I said "But, it looks like everything I have is mounted under /dev." Obviously, I still don't know that things aren't directly mounted under /dev. But, no one has told me otherwise, so far, so I tried a little bit more to get more information. He then said "Well, then you have some pretty dumb standards." Hmmm... quite an attitude he's got there. I pointed this out... as I said, I have a very low tolerance for things like this. I admit I said something inappropriate. I regret that now.

After that, a few other people jumped in and started pointing out that "He obviously doesn't know the terminology" and things like that. You'll notice that no one has actually told me why I am wrong! They just continue to point out that I don't know what I am talking about. Hmmm... didn't I show that point when I started the conversation by saying "I thought everything was mounted under /dev"?

Someone finally pointed out that things are mounted under /mnt or /media. Finally, someone is trying to help. So I say "But, why do I see things as /dev/hda and /dev/cdrom, etc in some places?" Guess what... more comments about my lack of knowledge! I finally got sick of it and left.

Isn't #fedora for helping people? Didn't seem like they were trying to help, since they didn't actually correct me until everyone was all fired up. As I said, this never would have happened if the original user had just said "Things are mounted under /mnt or /media."

So, that is why I will never go to #fedora again.

Sorry for the rant. :p I feel better after I rant. :D

[hiberphoptik]

I stopped using IRC years ago because it is normally not useful for obtaining help, if you could get a nickel for every time somone on IRC said "RTFM" instead of just helping someone out you would be rich. I am pretty sure the jerks on IRC are only jerks because they themselves do not know the answer and would like to feel superior to anyone else.

Sometimes you do get help, and sometimes you help others.. but overall you will find better results just researching on your own or using a forum to ask the question.

heck I think 90% of IRC users are idle for over an hour anyway :)

I used to hang in #atari but when it kept getting taken over and we all moved to #atariscne I just stopped

[ppesci]

cypher543:

You make me laugh. Thanks.

These things simply happens and I know you are in bad mood, but you must understand some times the "help" is not helpfully at all. Patience and stay in the group. :)

Pietro Pesci Feltri

[jtang613]

Someone finally pointed out that things are mounted under /mnt or /media. Finally, someone is trying to help. So I say "But, why do I see things as /dev/hda and /dev/cdrom, etc in some places?" Guess what... more comments about my lack of knowledge! I finally got sick of it and left.
Well, we can't judge you for your lack of knowldge, but we can help expand it.

Hardware device nodes are listed in /dev . Unlike regular files, these don't actually exist on your hard drive. They are the means by which the Linux kernel communicates with most hardware (block and character) devices - such as serial ports, sound cards, hard drives, etc. These nodes are provided by the kernel to the filesystem so that the rest of your system may have access to hardware.

The term 'mounted' usually implies that you have used the 'mount' command to interpret data from a device in /dev, through a filesystem to a 'mount-point' in a directory such as /mnt or /media

For more info - see: http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy.html#dev

hth,
Jason

[cypher543]

Well, we can't judge you for your lack of knowldge, but we can help expand it.

Hardware device nodes are listed in /dev . Unlike regular files, these don't actually exist on your hard drive. They are the means by which the Linux kernel communicates with most hardware (block and character) devices - such as serial ports, sound cards, hard drives, etc. These nodes are provided by the kernel to the filesystem so that the rest of your system may have access to hardware.

The term 'mounted' usually implies that you have used the 'mount' command to interpret data from a device in /dev, through a filesystem to a 'mount-point' in a directory such as /mnt or /media
Thank you for that! I understand it now. If only the people in #fedora had been so helpful.

[Coolerthanyou]

It's true, if people are around, they don't help because they don't know.

[Dan]

Hi again Cypher.

Methinks you have met the L33T... and found them wanting!

Good!

[glennzo]

The real L33T are in these and other Linux forums, and I mean that as a compliment to all.

[John the train]

I always try and remember the saying ' an expert is a guy who's one chapter ahead of you in the manual. ' A post, particularly from a newbie - and we're all newbies when we try something for the first time - , may be unclear, or confused over terminology, and what worked for you may not exactly apply to their configuration. I recently managed to install Java by following a thread in which about 5 members had contributed, once I'd worked out what I needed to do I was able to work out how to do it for my particular set up.

[dca]

LOL! Not to laugh at the overall situation, but, in my line of work... I'm mainly a hardware technician but managed to move (fanagle, more/less) my way to consulting and managing. It's nice to have people (Linux admins) under you when (I don't like the CLI) you're just winging it...

[nick.stumpos]

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[dasy2k1]

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[Al3xanR0]

I stopped using IRC years ago because it is normally not useful for obtaining help, if you could get a nickel for every time somone on IRC said "RTFM" instead of just helping someone out you would be rich.

They may as well be typiing like 7h15, b3cuz n0 1 ev4 h3lp5 1n 1rc. Which is why I too rarely use it.

[Dan]

They may as well be typiing like 7h15, b3cuz n0 1 ev4 h3lp5 1n 1rc. Which is why I too rarely use it...........Huh?

[nick.stumpos]

l337 $|*3@|< p{/\}|\|$

[Flounder]

7h15, b3cuz n0 1 ev4 h3lp5 1n 1rc. Translation: this, because no one ever helps in irc.

[Dan]

l337 $|*3@|< p{/\}|\|$

OK! Well, (*&%#@_&%^)~ to you too! :p

[nick.stumpos]

OK! Well, (*&%#@_&%^)~ to you too! :p
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[tomcat]

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[nick.stumpos]

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No we dont

[Dan]

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*Picks up mouse, and whacks it a few times*

Hello! Hello! Since when did I get transported to a different planet? :confused:

Translation please?

[Dan]

Hmmm! OK!

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(I think your full of beans. Hi hi. SK . . )

(Hi hi.) Telegraphic version of... :D

Dan

[JN4OldSchool]

just gives me a bloody headache!....No, wait...the fire effects gave me the headache, this just makes me feel old and left out :(

[tomcat]

*Picks up mouse, and whacks it a few times*

Hello! Hello! Since when did I get transported to a different planet? :confused:

Translation please?People spend too much time on leet speak imho. :D

[Dan]

Thanks, Tomcat!

I'm still not sure what Nick said, but that's ok. I'm not sure what I said back either!

Off topic, but... A year or so back, Jay Leno, or someone on his staff, decided to stage a speed contest between a pair of mightily accomplished L337 text messagers, and a couple of BOG (Boring Old Goofball) Amateur Radio Operators. The premise tested was that text messaging was much more up-to-date, and faster than Amateur Radio traffic using only the International Morse Code.

Now, I didn't get to see the show. We don't do TV in our house. But I saw the video on the web, and read the stories about it in several publications. The upshot of it all was this...

The L337 texters were heavily favored for their obviously amazing skills with modern technology, whereas the two old BOGs were using an outdated skill using an outdated code, on obviously inferior mechanical equipment. (I believe one of them was using an old Vibroplex "Bug" Original.)

The outcome was...

Loafing along at a liesurely 29 +/- WPM, those two old BOGS passed their required traffic, confirmed correct reception, chatted a bit, and had time to make a smart remark or two before the L337 texters even got their thumbs limbered up!

One wonders what they (The Amateur Operators) could have done had they gotten serious about it, and pushed themselves to their actual comprehensible limits.

My Mentor, (or, "Elmer") at his best, which was a very long time ago, was pushing 50WPM accurate code speed. Send, and Receive.

The moral to this story? Well... Just like the old T-shirt says... "Youth and skill, will never overcome old age... and treachery!" :p

Dit, dah,dah, dit, dit... Dit dit!

Dan

EDIT: Got the speeds wrong. Fixed!


http://c2.com/morse/wiki.cgi?MorseFasterThanTextMessaging

D.

[Coolerthanyou]

Just use the l337 speak extension for firefox. :)

[dasy2k1]

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cool extention

[sailor]

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[Dan]

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Ya know, the ironic part of all this, is that I can't read it visually! I've got to whistle it! Then it makes perfect sense! :p

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